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| Hi All
We moved into a new house recently and the previous owner graciously left us some wooden railway sleepers (270x120x2100mm = 10.6"x4.7"x6'10.6"), that had been used as a water-feature. Not being a huge fan of water-features, but a large fan of earthworms I decided to use sleepers to build a worm bin. After some research I found splitsec002's message which gave me lots of ideas. Here is my design so far. Obviously I still have to build and test it to see how well the various bits hold up. I'll update with more pictures are the build progresses. Top View
Scraper Detail
PS: I don't think the treated wood will harm the worms too much since they live quite happily under it at the moment. Thanks
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| Instead of threaded rod I would recommend using lengths of conduit. You'll save a load of money and it is still rigid enough to hold the weight. Good luck, it's an exciting project. |
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| By "conduit" do you mean 5/8" galvanized pipe or something similar? Do you think 1m (about 3') lengths will hold the weight. Internal measurements are 1x1.6x0.6m = +-3'x5'x2' which means the full bin will contain about 1cubic metre of compost which will weigh about 1 ton!! And how do I make it stay in place? Actually I have already bought the threaded rods - and they were quite expensive. Thanks for the tip though. I just hope my "protected scraper" idea will work. BTW the images above are much larger you can save them and view them in your favourite image viewer. |
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| Quick update: Destruction of the water feature Layout of the worm bin |
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| Just a note, pyropunk: The wooden railroad ties are treated and shouldn't harber termites. However, the wooden siding on your house ISN'T treated. I wouldn't put this directly up against the house if I were you. You are just asking for trouble with the moisture and all.... |
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| The railroad ties should not harbor termites, but they have been outside quite a while and some of the treatment is probably no longer protecting the wood. It's not against the house. The wall you see is a pre-cast cement garden wall. |
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| Ok, update time again. I finished the basic bin without the scraper mechanism today. Here the frame that is holding the rods is already in place. After thinking about my design for the bolts through the rectangular bar, I realised that the heads are going to be in the way and I decided to just cut out a section and sink the bolts inside the bar. All rods have been fitted and some gaps have been filled with PolyUrethane (PU) foam. The IBR sheet on top are actually two pieces which I have already pop-riveted together for a lid. Lessons learned: Next step: Thanks |
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| oops. the second picture should have been this one: |
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| Wow, quite the project. Please keep us updated on your scraper mechanism! Eric |
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| Parts list so far. Bin itself: Frame and grid: lid scaper Tools |
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| Update time again. Worm relocation is complete! They are now in witness protection and I hope they never have to testify as to the anaerobic conditions in the plastic bins ;-) After a lot of thinking I have decided to keep it simple and scrap the whole scraper idea (if you pardon the pun). Especially since I expect to be harvesting in only about a years time. I think I'll be able to use my rake where the tines are just far enough apart to get in between the rods and remove the VC. To the pictures:
Thanks for reading, it's been fun! |
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| Hey that looks great! You may reconsider the use of the tub. The bin will probably continue to sink into the ground over time. Can you go without it or use it for a container garden? I like the idea of using the rake to harvest, the simpler the better right? |
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| Wow! That is one great looking bin! Looks like you put quite a bit of thought (and work) into this one. This should work to process LOTS of organic matter. As for the catch bin not fitting - could you simply hoist each end and put another sleeper underneath each end. That would raise it up even more so that IF it does continue to sink some, you would have a little extra room for compression. Or is it to fragile/heavy to lift? You shouldn't have to worry about critters coming from the bottom into the bin as long as it is covered with compost, however, coming in through the top MAY be a problem. If you're talking about fungus gnats, spring-tails, mites, etc. a cloth cover would help keep them out. If you're talking other animals (mice, rats, raccoons, etc.) I'm not sure there.... |
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| Hi all Played gardener today since I needed to be at home. Also finished the last lid bits and took some more pictures.
Eric, as to the tray, I was really hoping to fit it underneath, then I can take it out to use it for anything - and not have stand around in the garden, looking ugly. At the moment it is storing the shredded (I bought a wood-shredder recently) leaves and twigs that I cut from the garden today. Man, the crushed Camphor leaves smell lovely (I don't care if its a noxious weed). I still need to drop the floor and then everything is done and I'll leave the worms to do their work. Lee, thanks for the thumbs-up. Raising the bin with another sleeper is NOT an option. 1) sleepers are DAMN heavy. My best guess is around 50kg. That means the whole bin weighs around 900kg (18x50kg) plus all the compost weight... and besides 2) I don't have any more sleepers :-( I'm not too worried about mammals. We don't have anything bigger than rats around here, but I'll still make sure that I bury the food properly. That should keep most things away. I have not seen any flies around since I buried all the original, anaerobic compost. Thanks for all the comments. |
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| It's FINISHED! So I finally finished my "big" project! I scooped out about 4cm of soil under the bin. I hope it does not subside any further. Here are the latest pictures:
So I was digging around in my bin just to check on the general health and found that I also (like Eric) have some heat issues. It does not seem to be very hot, but there is a definite warmth and some steam rising in the early morning. There seem to be some earthworms in the warm parts though and therefore I'm not too concerned right now. Also this morning when I wanted to feed I noticed that something had scratched open Tuesday's feeding spot. I suspect a rat. Maybe I'll set a trap. I feed every day since I don't have enough space in my freezer to collect all the kitchen waste that we produce. I have calculated that It will take 42 feeds to come to position 1 again. That should give the worms enough time reduce the last feed at that spot. That's for now. Have to practice restraint before I get too obsessed. Thanks for reading. |
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| Looks like you are all set, now the waiting game begins. I'm working on giving my bin thinner layers of food and bedding more often to cut down on the heat produced. They seem to be much more productive this way too. Today it was veggie pulp from the juicer, a sprinkle of stale wheat flour, torn junk mail, paper plates, napkins, a handful of soil, then wet it down with the spray bottle. Mmm, yum. They should have that wiped out and ready for another round in about 5 days. |
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| Quick update 1) Compost volume has reduced by about 1/4. |
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- Posted by folly_grows 10 SF by the Bay (My Page) on Sun, Feb 15, 09 at 12:04
| Pyropunk: That is a thing of beauty. :-) |
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| Weekly update time again 1) I think I have (partially) resolved my rat problem. I have closed all the holes with steel wool and PU foam. At first she tried to nibble through the PU but I think the steel was hurting her teeth. The "partially" is because I think she has now taken up residence in my ceiling :( Observations: That's it for now. |
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| One month (4 weeks) update The rat is gone. The dog killed it, hurray (and eew). I don't even have to search for cocoons any more. I just peel back the newspaper and there they are. Bin still seems healthy and worms seem to be happy. Noticed some critters in the bin: |
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| Another update. Just to clarify: So last week the feeding "wrapped around". The food in spot 1,1 is completely gone except for the corn cobs. There are lots of cocoons, some (about 20) of which I moved to the side to see how they mature. I really would like to see and hopefully photograph a "birth". I also can't wait until all the cocoons have hatched so I can start processing my crass clippings. Some other critters that have taken up residence: The rat is definitely history. I left the bin open to dry it out a little and the next morning the newspaper on top was completely undisturbed. That's it for now. |
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| Alex, I'm sorry you have crass clippings! :) Thanks for the update on this. It looks like a great bin. Have you harvested anything from it yet? |
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| Leearnold, LOL, that should have been "grass clippings". The spell checker doesn't catch everything! The bin has only been going for about 6 weeks. I added a lot of pre-composted leaves to the bin and I only expect to start harvesting in Feb next year. For now I'd be happy if the cocoons hatch so that I can slowly start to add the grass. |
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| how did the scraper finally work, could you give us more detail? thanks. |
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| Alex: that's a very heavy duty bin you've built there. I'm sure it will last almost forever. Otis |
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| jaybun, I abandoned the scraper idea due to various factors. If I ever build another bin I may introduce the scraper mechanism again. otis, I'm hoping that it lasts long. I just hope that the termites don't eat it ;-) Alex |
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| 2 month update The worms are still happy. Lots of juveniles have hatched. The newspaper at the bottom is starting to disintegrate. I'm still feeding a location a day and I bury the food. It seems to disappear faster that way. |
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| 3 month update I have stopped burying the food after the second round of positional feeding. The first this I noticed is that the fruit gnats started invading again, after almost 3 months of absence. Also, as the food started decomposing small springtail like insects started covering the food. I do not know whether they are spingtails. They are quite small (about 1-2mm in length) and very thin. And they jump around a lot. Also I added some lawn "mowings" to the bin two weeks ago. I spread it over the top as thinly as I could. Some pockets however still heated up, but not enough to cause harm to the worms. I filled the bottom trays in the two dustbins with compost and worms from the flow-through and donated one to a friend. Hooray, my first vermicomposting convert. The other bin I put in the garage added one banana peel and I hope to donate that one to the school. That's it for now. |
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- Posted by Sir Keith(KeithBenitez@Yahoo.Com) onFri, Feb 18, 11 at 15:40
| Just found this forum. I just recently got into vermicomposting. Any updates on your system? |
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- Posted by trivedi_south (My Page) on Tue, May 17, 11 at 21:10
| Any news on your bin/worms/compost Alex. I always wondered what happened to the bedding (shredded newspaper/cardboard etc) once it disintegrated. Thanks. Awesome job!! |
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