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Whacko wormer

Posted by barbararose21101 8 (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 21, 14 at 11:17

I'm brewing some horse manure for my worms. I'll use it instead of water as needed. ; )


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RE: Whacko wormer

I wuz wunderin' about the same thing. Namely, why use "just" water when you could use "enhanced" water. I was thinking of birch sap. High carbon content. About half the sugar of sugar maple.

Paul


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wackier

The last batch of horse manure had been collected with some kind of big loader and had rocks and other debris. So I screened it and sorted out the perfect puckies and rocks. The result is the prettiest, fluffiest bedding you can imagine. I'm brewing the coarse stuff. I'll have "washed" compost for all obvious uses.
What fun.


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You are making horse poo tea for your worms?? I am sure they will absolutely love it. So would your garden.

I have used worm poo tea to inoculate new bedding, such as cardboard or straw. Add it to a bucket full of tea for the last hour. I usually strain my tea in a 5 gallon paint strainer sock. All the leftover tea strainings usually are returned to the bin. WORM CANDY!!!!!

Worms love horse manure, but It is hard to get wet again after it dries out! I have mixed up wheelbarrow loads like I was mixing cement. Get it nice and slushy, then add to a bottomless bin. That might be a little whacky..........


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Dirty Water even the bedding loves. Well the weebeasties in the bedding. Or the ones that arrive via the Good Ship Dirty Water.

My Dirty Water is fish tank water.


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Most bugs are 'good'... unless they're 'bad'. :) (What do you think I went to all that schooling for?)

My point is: There isn't much in terms of 'microbes' that can't add something useful to things we 'prepare'. As long as we do not inoculate with something "bad", there shouldn't be much chance of harm. HOWEVER...

I fully understand that there are "good" microbes that are "bad" for some things. In my mind, that's a matter of ecology. (Sadly, the scientific discipline of ecology is only REMOTELY associated with the term "ecology" so cavalierly bantered about today.)

Anyway, I take a relatively dim view of "mono-culture" and "sterility" except in VERY special circumstances like an operating room.or intensive care unit. Sometimes "biodiversity" takes an unexpected, and unpleasant, turn, but usually, what that turns into is a broadening of my understanding of 'things'.

Paul


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"except in VERY special circumstances like an operating room" Lately I have been thinking about that one. Nature hates a vacuum and a microbe that gets an advantage will take over without the other microbe varieties to give it competition. How come we do not flood operating rooms with good microbes and make the environment conductive to them. Spray all the tools with good guys before using them. Somewhere there is a Chuckie brewing up these guys and experimenting with them.


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microbes

Somewhere among these threads we might reflect on the practice of microwaving food for worms. Doesn't that kill all the microoganisms in it? I imagine that rotting the food in a glass jar with a lid, in a warm place, is better preparation than any kind of cooking ?


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It is my understanding that the practice of freezing kitchen scraps before feeding them to worms is primarily to eliminate fly's eggs. In other words, kill 'things' that we don't want in our worm food. Freezing may not kill EVERYTHING in the kitchen waste, but it will kill more than just fly's eggs.

My point is: we use various methods to remove things we don't want. I don't have a 'problem' with microwaving kitchen scraps in the name of 'expediency'. I'm sure - and it has been argued here at this forum - that microwaving, even autoclaving, doesn't kill "everything".

I think I'll climb down off of this particular hobby horse before I get any further 'afield'. I probably should have just written the following:

I don't thing microwaving worm food is "bad" or even "not the best".

Paul


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The problem with rotting material with no oxygen is bad things develop like acids or something. This can be overcome by doing something like bokashi. Probably then the material would have to sit under soil a bit before the worms would enjoy it.
I am ok with microwaving or freezing as expedient ways to handle food waste that gets waste material right out of the spouses way. It also busts the cell walls which starts the material along it's way. Putting the material into the bin should have it microbe covered quickly.


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Yesterday I bought baby oat cereal for one of my bins.


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Why? (Dare I ask)


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Also why? (May I ask)

And yes, eq2....freezing aids us several ways including breaking down the foods faster. As to killing critters laid up within the lettuce leaves......why? (you're gonna put that salad into a worm bin teeming with critters hitching their wagon to the wormies' gravy train.)

True worming freedom comes when one finally gets over trying to keep EVERYTHING out of the bin except worms.

cb2


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Why? Popped into my head too. I think what we mean is why did you spend money on it. If you check the by rules there is a law No spending money on worm food or bedding. I think the lady just wanted to experiment with a bit of oats in her worm bin and did not have a source of free oats immediately available. Next time just tell us you tossed some oats in that somebody did not finish and we will feel way better. Or you found a box of outdated oats. Maybe she just wanted to use something for an experiment that could be measured the same and was consistent. Can't do that with oatmeal leftover due to the variability. Certainly other posters have talked about sprinkling a bit of oats or super worm food into their bins to fatten them up. Does that even work? If so why do we eat oats as part of a healthy breakfast? I can relate to the title. I felt a little whacko when I grabbed an oxen round which did wonders for my bin.


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equinoxequinox said: "I felt a little whacko when I grabbed an oxen round which did wonders for my bin".

Pardon, yet I am little familiar with "oxen round'. Is it a new food property?

Thank you very much.


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chuckiebtoo, now I see what you are talking about. Nuking microbes is a bad thing. I submit that once the aforementioned relatively innocent lettuce leaves are nuked they are more ripe than before for any bacterial infection which may be lurking about thus making them more ripe for rapid decomposition. But you are right, their natural bacterial composition which may be just right are now gone. Society has killed them. The freezing and nuking are for the purpose of not sanitizing but to quickly and efficiently break down the cell walls for rapid assimilation by long, skinny things after bacteria have their way. The activities of freezing and nuking are not for the benefit of vermicomposters but due to the hysterical needs of vermicomposters roommates. We would be just peachy keen with peaches rotting somewhere for the worms. Our roommates, cough, Martha, cough, think that is not a good idea and do not know a "good thing" when they see it.


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pskvorc, Autoclaving, doesn't kill "everything" specifically does not kill prions on dental or surgical instruments. I am not afraid of Ebola. I am afraid of prions on dental and surgical instruments. The procedures for cleaning these items are in place. But how much better are they than the silverware cleaning at Cracker Barrel where I had to ask for new silverware seven times due to large obvious gross particles until they eventually gave me plastic. The same dishwasher was probably used to cook the food I ate. The waitresses were nice and I was nice. I called headquarters not to complain but to get their dishwasher equipment serviced. I specified how nice and helpful the waitresses were. I wanted to eat there but had to use plastic silverware for a few weeks. Tools to drill into people's bones are run through a dishwasher then autoclaved. Not good enough. OK not a dishwasher but still. Could I pay more to get first run tools and not used? There is a difference.


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I'm all excited. Carlos, an oxen round was a euphemism for ummm. like a rabbit gift but much larger and shiny. I'd post a picture but it is long since gone. And back then people did not have a camera on every phone to take pictures of such things.


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""baby oat cereal""
I was wondering if it was cereal of itsy bitsy tiny teeny young oats called baby oats or oat cereal for babies? If it's the latter maybe to make it easier for the worms to slurp it by not having any teeth (like human babies?) I know, worms eat the MO but I have seen a video of worms chomping on something.
http://vermicomposters.ning.com/video/worms-at-the-trough


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Why,you ask. Because I could, I say.
In the past year I've read everything that googled up about vermicomposting. I could suggest that You Guys need to Get Out More . . . but I don't think that. As you know, all the exploring has led to more confusion than clarity. But solid guidance is compacting like castings to be tested next spring.

If you wandered in the miasma as I have, you would have seen through the fog that some experienced vermicomposters recommend oats (including some here) and amongst the advice, "baby oats" are (is) especially recommended. I didn't and don't know for sure what they meant. But it was on the brain's back burner, percolating,
(the notion, not the oats) so on a dark and rainy day I picked up some from the babies' stuff shelf. I sprinkled it on top of horse manure, put the layers of burlap back,
(which burlap, incidentally, is embroidered with wigglers ),
and checked one (1) day later. The springtails are all over it. Can't see the oats for the collembola. A goodly number of wigglers are on it and approaching. The worms came up through about 3 inches of unwormy horse manure to get to it. As did the springtails. I had tried previously oat flour, imagining it would compare; I had tried cooked oats (not even left over ) and uncooked oats. Haven't tried Scottish steel cut. Baby oats definitely won the worms love it competition.

This is Life !
(Ever watched that fat guy on a TV series called Cracker ? )
Baby oats at $3 & change is cheaper than a movie.


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RE: almost Whacko wormer

It has been raining relentlessly for several days here too. And when I got out from the small stationary store at the corner mall, I passed a cafe that has a counter style seating along the front window facing out. One of the patron has this really wonderful looking banana peel on his plate I was really tempted to get in and ask for it. But thought nah, that would be too much. I'm still dreaming about it though.


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