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Coffee Grinds & Worms

Posted by johncoaty 9 (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 22, 07 at 19:25

Can red worms live on just coffee grinds and horse manure?
I use newspaper and cardboard for bedding,my bed is outdoors and I also have some dried crushed leaves in the bedding.Im trying to get rid of a ant problem by not feeding kitchen scrapes any more.
Thanks in advance for any info on this subject.
John R


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  • Posted by wfike 8, Atlanta, Ga. (My Page) on
    Mon, Oct 22, 07 at 20:48

They eat the cardboard and newspaper as much as the horse manure. They dont have to have the coffee. Crushed leaves work also. Those four items would make great bedding with the correct amount of moisture.


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Thanks wfike, but Im still wondering if the coffee grinds would benefit the worm population? Im also interrested in knowing if Tobacco, I smoke a cigar now and then, and was thinking of breaking up the old stubs and adding to the bedding, could this harm the worms? I use to make Tobacco Tea and use it on my garden plants to control insects.


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  • Posted by wfike 8, Atlanta, Ga. (My Page) on
    Tue, Oct 23, 07 at 18:18

The cigars will kill the worms right away. the poison is called nicotine and will get them quick. I really don't think that they get much from the coffee.


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Thanks again wfike you saved me a lot of greef.


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keep the tobacco away from your worms.

Coffee grounds are great though not necessary. Coffee grounds are also great directly in your garden though so it is up to you if you want them in your worm castings or directly in your garden. One nice thing about coffee grounds is that they already look like nice dirt and hence will help your castings look like nice dirt quicker.

To keep ants out of your bin. I don't know that not putting kitchen scraps in will keep ants out. If your bin is up on legs, then the easiest way to keep ants out is to put each leg in a tray, dish or can of water. The ants can't cross the water to get up the leg. It is a good idea to put a bit of a mosquito dunk in the water.


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If the contents of your bin are damp, you won't have ants. Ants only like it if it's dry. I don't think lack of food scraps will deter them. I find hundreds of ants in dry piles of leaves in my yard that have sat there for awhile. They also get into my outdoor compost piles if they've sat there for quite awhile and have dried out. I don't put food scraps in my outdoor piles - food scraps go in my worm bins.

Deanna


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Hi,

This is an area in which I am interested. I am collecting just over 3,000 lbs of coffee grounds per month right now.

I just mixed about 80 bags of shredded paper with 50,000 lbs of horse manure over a 4,000 square foot area.

I also spread my first two rows of shredded paper with coffee grounds (6 bags of shredded paper) - probably a couple hundred pounds of coffee in each row.

I plan to set up a test bed with (1) shredded paper and horse manure, (2) shredded paper and coffee grounds, (3) shredded paper, coffee grounds and horse manure.

I am planning on counting worms to see which composition grows the most worms. I may have the soil tested after that to determine the quality of the soil.

I will have to wait until it gets a little warmer before adding my worms to the beds. Right now, overnight temperatures are about 12 degrees F.

There's not a lot of information on the internet using primarily coffee grounds for worms.

(The picture is the first day of shredded paper with horse manure beds.)

- Paul


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If all that horse manure is fresh and has de-worming medicine in it which is normally given to horses (to kill worms), then you won't be seeing any worms in your beds.

Shaul


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Wow Paul, that a LOT of wormbeds! I would love to hear more about what you are doing and how you are doing it. How deep are the beds, are you precomposting, what is your initial stocking rate, do you cover the beds, are you going to feed or just do batches ect.???? Please share.

I vermicompost outdoors in smaller windrows using fresh horse manure mostly. I have never heard of anyone having trouble due to de-wormer. It dissipates fairly quickly. My horse manure supply has decreased (we now have a smaller pony) so last month I collected about 300lbs of UCG and added to my beds. The worms are in it but seem to like manure better. I have not used paper.

Good luck! Pete


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  • Posted by DWD2 10a, Sunset 17 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 18, 13 at 2:43

John, Paul et al. You may enjoy reading April Vigardt's master thesis on coffee vermicompost. Coffee grounds seem to be a good food source for worms.

Here is a link that might be useful: coffee vermicompost thesis


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  • Posted by gerris2 Zone 7a Delaware (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 18, 13 at 9:00

I look forward to reading the MS thesis. I can't seem to get it to load on my android phone so will have to wait until tonight.


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  • Posted by gerris2 Zone 7a Delaware (My Page) on
    Sat, Jan 19, 13 at 1:08

I have to say that reading this thesis will be very helpful to me as I prepare for gardening season. Gotta start saving a lot of coffee grounds!


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I add horse manure and shavings to my garden. I keep up with when horses are wormed and do not use the manure from the first 8 days after worming.. i read not to use it for 7 days and decided to wait the extra day. so far that has worked.


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DWD2: Your links to the latest ongoing research should no doubt be a valuable addition to this forum. This is one way we learn. Your links are a great addition to the board. We have not had that type of thing lately.

Note there are also I think on this forum expert worm farm owners who no doubt know a thing or two about worms. We are very lucky to have them participate and answer our questions.

There are also on this forum what I think of as experts of the home grown variety who have vermicomposting on the mind and are possibly the inventors of the next cool thing in vermicomposting. This includes those with waaaay cool ideas on vermicompost tea brewing and next years newest, bestest, worm bin designs.

Worms are way cool. Welcome.


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  • Posted by DWD2 10a, Sunset 17 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jan 23, 13 at 2:26

equinoxequinox, Thanks! Hopefully, all the reading & collecting of technical articles I did before starting my worm bins can be shared & helpful.


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  • Posted by gerris2 Zone 7a Delaware (My Page) on
    Thu, Jan 24, 13 at 15:54

Does April know her MS thesis is being referenced in GW discussions? If not she'd probably get a kick out of it.


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John, this rules!
I'd love to be able to have a setup like this. I think my city dwelling neighbors wouldn't be very happy if I setup horse manure windrows in the back yard though. Please post your findings.
I'm just getting started and am trying a mix of spent beer grain, coffee, shredded paper, and one secret ingredient that I'm not gonna release until I know if it works.


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How about coffee bean chaff? I recently found a coffee roaster here who gives out free chaff, grinds, and burlap weekly. I have a single tote bin. Is the chaff good bedding for them?


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When I first started, a local coffee roaster gave me a bucket of worms from his huge (approx. 12'x40') wormbed. He said he feeds chaff to his herd, along with lots of scraps from his bakery. He gives out free burlap sacks, but not chaff. I would only try a handful in the corner with a small bin and see how it goes..

Worms absolutely love burlap. In the past I have used it as a bin topper. For a single tote bin, just fold up the sack and lay it on your bin. It helps keep things dark and damp on top, allows great air movement, and reduces flying critters. If you wet burlap first, and then lay it over the bin, worms will move right on up into the layers and start having a party. It takes a few months but eventually it breaks down and gets consumed.


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I suspect your wet burlap idea would help all types of bins even worm inn which do not mention a covering as other bins sometimes do. Now I just need some free burlap to fall into my life.


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Anyone lucky enough to have access to horse manure will be an incredibly successful worm farmer.

Equine manure is THE best bedding and THE best food for worms. (I think God made horses to produce worm food). Never put it into bins while fresh...any dewormer meds in it will dissipate if the manure is isolated/dried for a couple of weeks or so.

The 25 tons of manure situation will be "worm-worthy" after it lays out there smelling like horsesh*t after each rainy day for a few weeks.

Chuckiebtoo


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Well, for an update...my worms seemed to love the coffee bean chaff. I fed it along with some strawberries, and it disappeared in a hurry. Today only found one small bunch of it--clumped together and rather dry, so I don't think they like the dry. I figured the dry chaff would balance the wet strawberry goo.


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