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New Gardener and Controlling Weeds

enpea
11 years ago

Hello I am new to the forum and gardening! I bought my house 2 years ago now and have started managing my very large perennial bed in my backyard. There were a lot of open areas (not very filled with flowers) so I started to work my way down planting a few more plants each season (so far and I plan on continuing it). My problem is it's already overgrowing with WEEDS this spring!! It's very early in our season here too and I have not planted anything yet, I've just started to clean up and prepare. I have identified the 3 weeds doing the majority of overtaking: 1. Canadian Thistle 2. Ground Ivy 3. Bittercress
The canadian thistle has been coming up since I moved in but it just keeps getting worse. I had been pulling it but now reading it says that is BAD. So I need to do something else - I think I'm going to paint them with round up now (they are still all just sprouting and no where near flowering). Any better alternatives than this?

The Ground Ivy seems worse this year and I'm not sure how to kill this one, some are easy to pull when I can get the whole string of them but any thoughts on this one?

The bittercress I have not seen in prior years AT ALL but now it is ALL OVER and already blooming. These seem easier to pull out and not rooted so deep so I started to do that but they are already flowered. Is there a better way to kill this besides pulling?

It's just all very overwhelming and discouraging at this point. I just want to get my garden nice and FULL of perennials and the weeds minimized. The house next door has been vacant since we moved in (it went up for sale right when we moved in) so their backyard is full of weeds with no one there to do more upkeep than mowing so that is likely not helping me out at all. I definitely plan on doing a thicker layer of mulch this year but I'm just so frustrated. Any tips or words of encouragement from more seasoned gardeners out there?? Thank you so much in advance!

Comments (3)

  • Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
    11 years ago

    Hi & welcome to Gardenweb! If you have large areas where no or few desirable plants are growing, you could smother with newspaper/cardboard, then mulch over. If you can leave these areas alone until next year, you should be able to garden w/o too much weedy-ness after that. Some potted annuals sitting in these areas this year can help with the anxiousness.

    RU doesn't usually kill Canada thistle, at least not w/o repeated applications. Until it gets hot, RU is not very effective on anything. If you need to use that, try to keep the flowers cut off until the RU can really do its' thing.

    Ivy is more difficult to smother, if it's Hedera helix. There is likely hard, woody stems near the ground. Can it be dug up? Roots left behind are likely to be able to continue growing, so smothering might be helpful after digging out the majority of the woody parts.

    Bittercress won't last through the heat of summer. If you can keep it mowed, or smother it, it can't make new seeds for next years' crop.

    I live next to an unmowed yard, too. About all you can do on that is either mow it yourself, report it if there's a city ordinance, hope the wind blows the other way!

    You're on the right track with mulch, but it's not a cure-all. Keeping it to a functional thickness, about 3-4" is what's always worked best for me. Seeds will still find their way to your yard, but if you patrol often, pull them while they're small, it's usually pretty easy to keep them under control with a few minutes per week, once control has been established.

    Do your planting beds have a border/barrier separating them from the lawn? If not, that's something I would address this year. Do you need some inspiration to get started? Feel free to add some pics if you still feel overwhelmed or would like some more specific advice.

  • rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ground Ivy usually refers to Glechoma hederacea, a very common weed lawns and gardens.

    Pulling the bittercress is your best option. Not so much for the other two, as you already know. I'd be after them with RU.

    The fact that your problem is mostly in your garden area and not your lawn makes control more difficult. There are herbicides that will kill these weeds in lawns but you can't use them in the garden with the rest of your broadleaf plants!

    Persistence will go a long ways, don't give up.

  • Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
    11 years ago

    I think Rhizo is imagining you've got more good plants with Old McDonald weeds, here-a-weed, there-a-weed... between a lot of "keepers." If it's more like that, it would be a matter of asking yourself, do I have the time to pull all of these plants up? Some people opt to remove the "good plants" to make it easier to smother large, unbroken areas. Wherever there's a gap in the smothering, weeds are, well, not suppressed, so if it's thin strips between good plants, smothering won't help much.

    As perspective, in my minds' eye, I see your beds as mostly devoid of desirable plants, with much space between those that would be "keepers." Although I wouldn't begrudge someone's use of chems to establish control, it would be preferable to me to smother where possible. I would define possible as any spot where I can completely cover a patch of weeds with newspaper or cardboard in large enough areas around existing plants so I could cover it with several inches of mulch without having the mulch wash "into" the existing plants.

    It's not that I have anything against using chems to establish control, but that's only part of the issue. If it's been lawn or neglected "flower bed," likely the soil does not have good tilth, fertility, drainage. Even this type of very basic lasagna can be incredibly helpful in all of these regards. If your dedication and determination extend as far, it's so easy to add other amendments as part of/when smothering. I like to put bagged lawnmower clippings under the paper in case it has seeds in it. (Then when the paper/cardboard contacts it, you've got a good green/brown thing composting under there.) Between the paper/cardboard and the mulch, one can add compost, leaves, whatever seed-free, easily decomposed organic matter is available. When you stick a shovel in later, that fall is OK if you want to add some shrubs/perennials, next year for summer annuals and anything more, you should be amazed by the difference.

    There's also an impatient form of smothering where one uses whatever they can keep in contact with the soil. A tarp or sheet of plastic, pieces of metal, the bags of mulch you will eventually use in that area, anything that will cover up the weeds until they die. After a time, you remove the cover and see if it's dead. Once you determine everything is, cover with mulch, compost, whatever your plan is, then start gardening. IME with using both methods many times, a smother layer of paper and the longer wait is worth it in the future. The quick-smother often results in the sprouting of many seeds that were at the surface but just hadn't decided to grow yet, especially right where you dig holes to add the plants that couldn't wait until next year, pretty much thwarting your efforts.

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