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Mail ordered Serviceberries

Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 7, 02 at 14:07

I did it! I ordered Serviceberries by mail.
My local scouting expeditions at area nurseries were a total frustration. Most of them never heard of them.
Anyway, I started with a place called Edible Landscaping in Afton, VA. I ordered a 3 gallon Graniflora Serviceberry to replace my Rose of Sharon tree. (your days are numbered, tree) and I ordered 4 Alemanchier Alnifolia cultivator named Regent to put in a hedgerow effect at the far end of my veggie garden. Heck, all I have to do is dig up alittle more lawn. Who needs a lawn anyway, right?
Next I hit Pine Ridge Gardens in London, Arkansas. (Thank you Sherry for the link). Ordered more Alemanchier Alnifolia cultivators Honeywood and Smokey. Going to put them in my hill where I had some yucky barberry shrubs dug out.
The first place place ships all the time, so that order will be going out next week. The place in Arkansas will ship in September. I can't wait and hope I am not disappointed with my new plants.
This should really help my yard in bird attracting appeal.


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Next time you order by mail, don't have anything sent to you in the middle of summer. This is a bad time to transplant. Wait until late fall or early spring.


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Sounds like you're going to have a nice variety of berries. Serviceberry is pretty high on my wish list. Congrats!


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I think my local backyard birds will be happy.

I did ask them about shipping in September as I figured that they would ship in the fall, but the lady said they ship all the time only delaying for common sense if the weather is stifling hot. And that they have no problems.

I doubt that I will be able to get them planted too quickly but it depends on the weather. If its too hot the plants get too stressed, your right, so I would wait. But I do have a very long hose!!!!


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Sorry to contradict anyone above, but your tree will be better off in a hole (and carefully watered) than remaining in a killer black nursery pot (can you imagine how hot those things get in the sun?). In general, container grown plants can be planted any time of the year...just do not disturb the root ball when in full growth like now. Early in the year, when dormant, I usually remove whatever it was potted in and plant as per bare root.


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I agree with taking them out of their pot and planting them. I have successfully done this in south Mississippi. I just kept them well watered, INCLUDING THE FOLIAGE during the noon heat. If I lived up north, I probably wouldn't water the foliage in the evening, as it may not dry well enough and fungal diseases could set it, but down here, watering the foliage at any time of the day during the summer is okay, with middle of the day watering being the best.
Sherry


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I added a serviceberry tree to my yard last fall. My siblings got it for me as a birthday present. My birthday is in July. The nursery indicated that it was best to dig up the serviceberry trees in the fall (they weren't sitting in a black plastic pot) so as to reduce stress. So I didn't actually get the tree until early October.

Despite babying the serviceberry tree, it still seems to be under a lot of stress due to the very hot temperatures we have had in Maryland this summer. Half of the leaves turned red and dropped off already. I have been watering it more regularly now and the rate of leaf loss has slowed considerably.

Around my house the serviceberry fruit is a favorite of catbirds and mockingbird. I only got about eight berries this year, hopefully it survives the summer and I have a whole tree of berries next year.

I also had problems finding serviceberry trees at my nurseries. Most of the help did not know what a serviceberry tree is. I also wanted to make sure I got one native to my area.

Richard


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I may be wrong but I think service berries are the same thing as what we call "Saskatoons" here in Sask. They grow wild here on my farm and any others that have native habitat left. I could pick pails of them this year if I only had the time.


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Yep, Serviceberries are also known as Saskatoons, Juneberries and Sarvisberries. Unfortunately, we would not have any wild ones here on Long Island and they just sound like wonderful shrubs. Obviously, people here are not commonly planting Servisberries because I can't even find them at any local nurseries.


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Another good source for Serviceberry/saskatoon/juneberry is St. Lawrence Nurseries, in Potsdam, NY. Bill McKentley has one of, if not the largest collections of named varieties, but doesn't offer them all every year; but usually offers a good selection of the lower-growing saskatoon types and the larger tree types. I've had good success with the tissue-cultured specimens I've bought from him over the past few years.
Have a look at the SLN online catalog - scroll down to the "Juneberries" section for named varieties, though he also offers seedlings of local natives elsewhere in the catalog.

Here is a link that might be useful: St. Lawrence Nurseries.


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Wow, that is the largest selection of Serviceberries/Juneberries I have ever seen!! Varieties not available elsewhere either. Still, his shipping schedule is not easy to live with and the plants are small, although reasonable priced. I am keeping the link in my Favorites, thanks for the address. I might order more Serviceberries next year, who knows!!!


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I love my serviceberry. Planted right outside a window and makes lovely shade and color. The berries have lasted two whole days one year! Otherwise, it's a race to beat the birds as they strip it in less time than piranha skeletonize a cow. (Anybody ever wonder why that's quoted?)
Hope you enjoy yours and thanks, folks, for the link. I'll have more soon... .
Ging


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A couple other sources, in Canada, for Serviceberry/juneberry/saskatoon, are The Saskatoon Farm in Dewinton, Alberta, and DNA Gardens, also in Alberta.
DNA offers Lee #3, which I've been told is the very best-tasting cultivar yet. Unfortunately, I've not been able to find a U.S. source for it, and have been unable to get them to ship across the border.
DNA's website also has a link to the International Amelanchier registry - good general info and descriptions of a number of the named varieties.

Here is a link that might be useful: DNA Gardens


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I'm new to this forum and have been delighted by all the postings! I'm working on planting an area for wildlife and by reading the postings I'm not alone! NewYorkRita, I'm with ya babe, LOVE the serviceberries, tho the nursery I work at has been unable to get them in for the past 2 yrs.as well as the rest of area nurseries. I'd love to hear from everyone as to any respected online sources for serviceberries.
Thank you!
Judy


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The DNA Gardens website is very interesting with lots of useful information, thanks for posting it!!!! I also checked out the International Amelanchier Site. All these Serviceberry Cultivators only make me wish I had the room for all of them. Too bad that DNA does not ship to us in the states.

I am still checking out the cultivators in the St Lawrence Nurseries Catalog, a really great selection there. I think I am just going to have to wait to see how mine fair after they are all planted before I even think of the possibility of more.

I did get the four Regent Serviceberries planted. They are pretty decent sized shrubs with the tallest shoots being about four feet tall, so I think I will get fruit next year. If only the birds leave some for me. Now I have to get the Grandiflora planted and wait for the Honeywood and Smokeys to arrive. Geezz, the planting never stops!

shezaflower-- Reading this particular forum is how I found out about Serviceberries. I had never heard of them before. Its funny but most fruit catalogs don't have them, at least not the ones I had been getting for years such as Starks and Millers.

I have had Blueberry bushes in my yard for years and if I had only heard of Serviceberries sooner, I am sure I would have had these also.

I do have a One Green World Catalog, and they have really interesting fruit, but they don't carry Serviceberries either. Raintree does though and they seem to have the largest selection of unusual fruit I have seen.


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Have you used forestfarm.com? We've ordered several times from them and their plants arrive in excellent condition. (They're in the pacific NW and we're in Oklahoma.) Also, they have a tremendous variety of plants - cultivars and species. We've used them when we couldn't find the species anywhere else and have been very pleased (anyone want any Passiflora incarnata?). They send out a large catalog on request, and include one with each order.

Carol

Here is a link that might be useful: Forest Farm Nursery


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Personally, I have been on the Forestfarm website looking at what they have but have never ordered from them. I know people speak highly of them. I like the fact that one can order anytime one is ready, rather than in a certain planting season. My planting season around here, seems to have never stopped from early this spring!


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I've got a bunch of the A.alnifolia selections(most came from SLN) - Regent, Theissen, Smokey, Honeywood, Martin, Nelson, Success, and some unnamed Timm&Success seedlings(from the now-defunct Bear Creek Nursery).
The Timm & Success seedlings have been most productive, but I did get a few berries off Regent this spring - before the birds discovered them; all the others are too young to bear yet. All the alnifolias are small, suckering shrubs, looks like all mine are going to stay well under 4 ft - most less than 3 ft.
Also have a 'Jennybelle'(A.obovata) from Edible Landscaping, that is going to be more of an open, sprawling, small tree-type. Got a few berries off it it this spring, but the birds ate most of them.
A.Xgrandiflora seedlings that I planted at my kids' elementary school are growing well, but it may be a few years before they fruit.


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So, the rest of my Serviceberries arrived and I now have all my Serviceberries planted. From no Serviceberries to ten Serviceberry shrubs in my yard. I should be popular with our neighborhood birds!

I was particularly pleased with the ones from Pine Ridge Gardens. Large lovely shrubs with nice full form.

I did not plant them all were I had originally thought but besides the hedgerow at the far end of my veggie garden, put them in various spots in my yard instead of all on the hill, as I had originally thought.

Lucky-P:

My Smokey and Honeywood shrubs from Pine Ridge are about 3 feet tall now and the Regents I got from Edible Landscaping are taller. There seems to be a difference of opinion of how tall Smokey and Honeywood get, depending on who's website you are reading. But they should easily get 10 feet with no problems. I can't imagine why yours are staying short. Of course, I don't know and it could take many years for the Serviceberries to get tall but 3-4 feet seems awfully small to be for full grown on a shrub that really gets tall.


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Update on the serviceberries. The original Regent shrubs have all lost their leaves. Looks like they went dormant early. They are deffinately quite alive though. The grandiflora has its leaves turn sorta fall colors but otherwish looks much the same. Did grow some small new shoots. The Smokey and Honeywood arrived pretty much denuded of leaves but since the cool weather have put on new growth of lovely new green leaves.

I hope these flower for me next spring as I am deffinately expecting fruit.


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Geez, you would think I had enough of these darn things but I just could resist. I ordered 2 Allegheny Serviceberies (A. laevis) and 4 Northern Juneberries (A. gaspensis) from Oikos Tree Corp for shipping in the Spring.

I had been thinking that I would wait and see how the ones I had did before I added any more but I saw these in the catalog and knew I had to have them since they are a different species from the ones I already had. Plus they are going to be really tiny, 3-6 Inches.

Last year I was looking for immediate impact and definately shubs that would bloom this spring but now that I already have ten of them, I felt that I had the time to invest in some tiny shrublets that will take years to grow.

Allegheny should grow into a small tree that is very different from the shrubby ones already here.


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I have seen a 'Dwarf June Berry' in some of my seedier Discount Catalogs this Spring. No Species name listed it is supposed to "Grow only 3' tall." Claims also include "This dwarf strain will grow in poor soil and is extra hardy. Bears fruit the second year."

This particular quote was from Inter-State Nurseries in Bloomington, IL although I have seen the same item advertised in similiar junk mail type catalogs. Can't tell you which because I had thrown them away.

Any insight as to what this could be and claims as to height and growing conditions? I know there are many types of Serviceberries but find it perculiar that some fly by night discount rag would have some hard to find rare find.


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Hi, I'm new. Just wanted to tell you guys to stay away from Interstate or Kelly nurseries. They are BAD NEWS according to the Garden Watchdog. Real rip off artists. I've learned a lot from all of you. NYRita - I'm from LI,too
but I only have a small yard. Just ordered service berries and beauty berries from Pineridge Nursery. Will receive them in April. Oh, I'm having problems with a cooper hawk also.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pine Ridge Gardens


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The quality of the shrubs I got from Pine Ridge was great. I know you will be pleased!

I do get all the rag discount nursery catalogs, not because I asked for them either. I usually flip thru them (can't resist) and then toss them in the garbage. But the dwarf Juneberry caught my attention. I am going to skip ordering from these people though.

The hawk has not been back and that could be either good or bad, depending on weather it decides to have starlings and sparrows or nice welcome here songbirds for dinner.


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I am all excited about my Serviceberries. The Grandiflora hybrid has quite a good number of bloom spikes and the first of them is almost open. Regent Serviceberries are covered, just covered, in bloom clusters. I have nothing to compare them to as it is my first year for them to bloom but I just am totally surprised that shrubs I planted last summer would have this many blooms this spring. Anyway, they will be later than the Gradiflora as the flower clusters are not anywhere near ready to open.

The Honeywood have just afew bloom clusters and mostly nice green leaves. The Smokeys have nice green leaves too but no flowers that I can find.

All in all a good start to my Serviceberry happenings. Now I just need to get my little Serviceberry shrubs from Oikos Tree Corp to expand my collection.


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The 4 Northern Juneberries (A. gaspensis) from Oikos Tree Corp that I got earlier this spring are planted in their spot and really doing great. The leaves are a nice really deep green, darker than when they first arrived. In fact, I liked them so much that I ordered 8 more for another section of the yard and am going to plant them tomorrow if it doesn't rain again.

Then the 2 Allegheny Serviceberies (A. laevis) from Oikos Tree Corp I just potted up this spring since they are only about six inches and should grow into trees so I will be needing some patience there.

Berries on the Grandiflora hybred are turning red. Regent berries are still green. I have really gone into the Serviceberries in a big way!!!


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My regent serviceberries are still green but some show a blush of red. I was just wondering when the birds would start checking them out and this morning there was plenty of bird action. Three Mockingbirds sat on posts in my veggie garden and fought all morning. The Seviceberries are planted in a row at the far end of the veggie garden. A male Oriole was down on the ground near the shrubs, looking for bugs I guess. After the Mockers and Oriole left, the Catbirds landed in the Servicebery shrubs. I actually could se the Catbirds hopping around in the shrub and looking at all the berries.


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Wow, thats great nyewyorkrita. I'm thinking that in the next year I'll replace that ornamental plum with a serviceberry. I guess I live in good area, I've found serviceberries at Homestead Gardens about 20 mins from my house and also at the plant sale at Adkins. I just have so many things I want to plant! I think it's neat that the birds like your shrubs so much!


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My Grandiflora hybred Serviceberry has deep purple berries, they never were red. I have yet to see a bird in or near that shrub. The Regent Serviceberries have some berries that are getting red. Red ones are checked out and scarfed down everyday by the resident Catbirds.

I am just starting to put in two new garden mini beds near the serviceberry area. I plan to put in a row of serviceberries with a row of blueberries in front of it. These two beds will be backed up in front of an existing garden bed thats already there in which I planted Viburnums earlier this spring. The Viburnum section will go on for much longer a space but the new parts for the Serviceberries and Blueberries are going to be about 14 feet long. All are stagered and terraced up the back slope of my backyard bordering the neighbors property. This will make a nice shrub border and also make use of the plantings that are in the neightbors yard for wildlife use and making the border that much wider. Birds don't notice property lines.

I was at Home Depot today buying the stones to do the terrace and then had to haul them up and back there. This after having to stack them in the cart, then in the car and get them out of the car. Poofed!!!!! Anyway will start arranging them tomorrow, not really as big a job as it sounds. I don't have the shrubs to put in there yet but I at least need to get the structure in or I will never be able to get them planted.

I had orginially wanted to plant a row of blueberries back there this spring but never did order the plants as you know they come bare root early in spring and I knew I would not be getting to putting in my new beds until summer. I am going to wait until next spring to buy the blueberries and will just plant some cover crops after I get the beds in. As to the Serviceberries, I am not sure if I can find something locally, or, if not, wil be ordering from St. Lawerence Nursery in the Fall.

The Northern Juneberries (A. gaspensis) I ordered from Oikos Tree Crops are in another area of the yard.


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HA!!! Was able to find Regent Serviceberries at my trip to a nice Long Island Nursery yesterday. They are in one gallon pots with the shrubs themselves being 12 to 18 inches tall with two to three nice branches coming out of the one central leader leaving the ground. Smaller than I really wanted but if I mail order this fall, those will be small too as I would be buying from St. Lawrence Nursery. This way I don't have to wait until Fall, so that gives me a head start on next year. Still, these are so small that I doubt they will flower next Spring but who knows. At the very least they will be able to put on a nice bunch of growth.

The Catbirds countinue to feast on the ripening Regent Serviceberies at the end of the veggie garden. I was however, quick enough in grabing afew berries to try them out and thought they have a really nice taste. Reminds me somewhat of Blueberries but they were milder and sweeter. The berries are so much smaller than blueberries however, so its going to take a whole bunch to fill up my mouth but the Catbirds are making sure I don't find that many ripe ones.

Now to get them planted.


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This is great. I've been searching for a replacement to my dontproducem berries (blue berries) and these sound great, I dont care about seeds, I want them for wine. I just couldnt find a nursery, now I got a bunch.
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I knew my newly planted Regent Serviceberries were growing like wildfire but since I see them everyday its kind of difficult to judge their progress. I was back at the nursery that I bought these from today and looking at similiar ones that were there. Mine are soooooo very much bigger. I orginially thought that they would be way too small to flower next spring but now I am not so sure. They still have all of August to grow some more.


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The new Regent Serviceberries are twice the size they were when I first put them in. Nice deep green leaves. My older, much bigger, Regents from last year lave lots of small suckers but those suckers are from about 4 inches to 12 inches tall. Not tall as the parent shrub. Guess they will grow more next year.

Smokey and Honeywood Serviceberries have new growth but no suckers. Even the small Northern Juneberries I got from Oikos Tree Crops are coming along nicely (especially the four I got in my first order early in the spring).

I did learn from some research on the net that Serviceberry flowers and fruits on two year old wood. So I guess flowers on all the small stuff I put in this year are out for next spring. Oh well, I guess the birds will have to make do with the older and bigger of the Serviceberries until the little guys grow up!!! Oikos claims that the Northern Juneberries, of which I have 12 planted, are extremely productive. The birds and I are anxious to see!!!!


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The leaves on most of the Serviceberries have suddenly turned all golden and brown. Only last week, they were still green. We have had some cool nights around here so I am sure that did it.


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We have one Amelanchier alnifolia and one A. canadensis, both established since 4 years. The alnifolia one is in full sun and has turned old gold all right. The canadensis one, although receiving a lot of sunshine in the summer, receives about 1/2 less in fall due to its position re. the house. And this one is now just barely beginning to turn.


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Guess this really is not the time of year to be thinking of Serviceberries but I remember the nice white cheery blooms in the spring. Nothing to do in the garden, as its COLD outside, so I think about how wonderful Spring will be. I do have lots of small serviceberries planted last summer that will not bloom but at least they can spend next year growing into nice sized healthy bushes. When all theese Serviceberries set fruit, the birds here should go nuts!!!!


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Ha!! Spring is here and the Serviceberries are starting to leaf out. Its just at the point where I think I can see where the bloom clusters will be although they are still little dots and tightly together. Can't wait for the blooms!


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Ha! My Grandiflora is in full bloom today. Yesterday it had nothing open yet. Regent Serviceberies will be next to bloom.


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 21, 04 at 6:46

Rita: I'm so jealous! I was just down in southern CT on the other side of the sound from you. The place was at least a week ahead of us on blooming. Forsythia, magnolia, green grass!! My grass is just starting to green up. I am expecting a rather large shrub order next week. Loads of serviceberries. I'm hoping to be posting these kind of messages next year at this time.....or maybe a week or two later :o(


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A.laevis was in bloom at least 3 weeks ago, here; A.X grandiflora 2 weeks ago, A.obovata a week or so back, A.alnifolias in bloom now.


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 21, 04 at 19:26

oh lucky, you are making me crazy. I'm just going to have to move down there!


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About 7 years ago, I order a small serviceberry from ForestFarm. I planted it at the place where I was then living and then transplanted it.

When I sold that house, I brought the serviceberry, along with several other plants, to my new place - surreptiously.

Finally, this year, after all the transplantings and the moving, it has bloomed gloriously!

(There was also a plum, at least I think it's a plum, that I abused the same way as the serviceberry and it would appear that the plum, too, is going to bloom well this year.)

Good things come to those who wait.


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  • Posted by John_D USDA 8b WA (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 26, 04 at 22:07

Good things most certainly come to those who wait!

I've been trying to grow native serviceberries from seeds and by transplant for the last ten years without success. Imagine my surprise when I discovered a seedling earlier this week -- and in a prime spot, too. I had to move two hostas to make sure it didn't get crowded out.


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Tue, Apr 27, 04 at 16:50

I've got loads of serviceberries coming in this week. I can't wait until they grow some. I don't believe I've ever seen any, but from all the rave reviews on this forum, I'm dying to see them.


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Hi guys. Do any of you have any reputable mail order sources for Amelanchier x grandiflora 'Autumn Brilliance'?

Forest Farm does not carry this cultivar. I saw the link for St. Lawrence Nurseries and ordered a catalog from them. I thought I read on their site that the deadline for spring shipping is May 1st. Does that mean if I send them my order monday that delivery won't occur until fall? I really don't care to wait until then.


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Thu, Apr 29, 04 at 18:25

John: I just ordered 2 from St. Lawrence Nurseries. SLN were recommended by people here. They are due to arrive later this week. They have a good selection of various cultivars. I called them and confirmed which ones would grow best in my area. They didn't recommend the alternifolia types as they do not do as well in the acid soil here. They said the one that would do best is Regent and I believe that Rita has had good luck with that on Long Island. As for another place you may want to check for a few different types, try Edible Landscaping.

Lots of people recommend Forest Farm. I got their catalog and was all set to order things, but then read that they will not ship anything but huge quantities west of the Mississippi. Did you read that back in the catalog further? I think I even called and confirmed that with them. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? I wonder if the people that recommended them were west of the Mississippi.

I think I'll email you just in case because when I just accessed this web page, they said the deadline for spring shipment is May 1st. You could always order in the fall, but I think spring is the best bet.

Here is a link that might be useful: St. Lawrence Nurseries


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Thanks for the reply and email vonyon. I did find them and will most likely order from there today. Unfortunately my first choice, Forest Farm, does not have the variety I'm looking for. I am looking to order a A. grandiflora 'Robin Hill' from them later on. Really looking forward to receiving it and watching it mature. I've read good things about this being a very wildlife-friendly tree.


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Very helpful people at SLN. Sent an email yesterday to receive a catalog. They emailed me back this morning to tell me the catalog was on the way and that if I used that to order I would not meet the deadline. They also checked to make sure the tree I wanted was, in fact, in stock so I wouldn't have to waste my time rushing an order for an item that was out of stock. Thanks to them I sent an order out today at lunch. Hopefully the product will be as good as the service.

Thanks for the link vonyon.


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Fri, Apr 30, 04 at 16:37

John, They are very nice people. I just received my order today. I ordered 2 Autumn Brilliance, 2 Regent and 2 Viburnum trilobum. They appear small, but I think they claim their plants are guaranteed for cold weather and will have more root than stem. They appear to be healthy and have some leaf buds popping.


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Good to hear vonyon. Tell me, are the autumn brilliance single or multi-stem plants?


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Fri, Apr 30, 04 at 21:22

John, do you mean what size they are when mature? If so, I have seen pics of them in Dirr's book and they look like small trees. I believe they can be multi-stemed, or you can prune to have one trunk. They remind me a bit of Japanese maple type trees in shape and size. If you mean right now, they are really just small single stems at the moment with a root ball and leaf buds. They are grown in zone 3, so his claim to fame is having trees that are able to withstand northern climates. I believe he focuses on building roots rather than pushing stem and leaf growth like the nurseries. I think this is somewhere on the web site and I may be butchering it. I forgot to mention that I also ordered 1 Success because it is supposed to be a good cross-pollinator for Autumn Brilliance. I also ordered some of the Shadbush stuff from NH Nursery. To be honest, I think they are a bit bigger than the cultivars right now.

Another nursery that I forgot to mention is Pine Ridge Nursery in Arkansas. I got an order from them. They have some Allegheny and Stolonifera. The only thing I hadn't though of is that they are so far ahead of me here that I'm afraid that they may not do well this first year. They have lots of leaf on them and even some buds and one the A. stolonifera there are some green berries. My leaf buds are just starting. Magnolias are finishing up and the grass just needs mowing now. I got them today also. I've been in CT lately and I think they are 1 to 2 weeks ahead of me, so you might not have that problem.

I'll be planting away tomorrow and Sunday!


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Through local conservation district native plant sales, I purchased 30 A. alnifolia bareroot plants. I also (using wholesale connections) bought two 7' b&b plants for guaranteed fruit this year. 32 plants for less than $100.

The "seedlings" were already 4 feet tall, with not a lot of root structure to support them. Despite this, I have only lost one (one of the last ones planted on a warm day.)
Even a group that I planted in a reed canarygrass infestation are thriving. I re-transplanted a few and noticed new root development, but not as quickly as I hoped. I now fertilize them occasionally with 0-10-10 Alaska fish fertilizer, hoping to build up strong roots to get them through the summer, which seems to already be here (I appear to be the only one who isn't happy about it.)

Can't wait until they are big enough that I can stop bothering with deer repellents.


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Actually vonyon, I meant how were they now, which you answered quite nicely. Just wondering how they were going to be when I got them. Thanks again.


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Two different serviceberries that I planted are now producing fruit it taste like blueberries. I bought two running serviceberries last September at Bowman's they were so small I thought they would die this past winter, but instead they bloomed and now have delicous berries. The other one I bought this spring canadian serviceberry was enormous and in bloom now has delicous berries also I thought I would have to wait at least until June. Haven't seen any birds use them yet though. Sarah


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  • Posted by vonyon z5 New England (My Page) on
    Tue, May 11, 04 at 22:04

Sarah, so glad to hear this. I bought A. stolonifera which might be the running serviceberry. I got it from Pine Ridge Gardens in Arkansas and it was at least a month ahead when I got it. It is really fairly large for a potted shrub and has berries on it already, but I assumed I'd be waiting at least 3 years to see much more on it. I'm glad to hear you are having such luck. I bought a bunch of the shadbush that I think you are referring to also, but it came bare root. Glad to hear it grows quickly.


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Serviceberries around here are fruiting heavily. My older Regent Shrubs have so many fruits now, I just can't believe it. The small Regents have fruit too, but not much of course, since I only put them in last year. So far I have seen the Mockingbird, Robin and Orioles eating the Serviceberries. The fruit is much larger than they were last year, I think because the shrubs had time to mature. The fruit on the small shrubs is much smaller.

Anyway, there are no Catbirds here this year so I have been able to eat lots of the fruit myself. Last year the Catbirds just about camped out in the Serviceberry Shrubs and would eat the berries all day long as they ripened.

Fruit on the Grandiflora is not ripe yet but I did eat some fruit off the Honeywood Serviceberry. It does taste slightly different from the Regent and not quite as big. I like the Regent better. Really, I think Regents are the best of the shrub Serviceberries and they only grow about 6 feet tall so never get too big. They set an amazing amount of fruit and start at an early age.


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newyorkrita ,I think I have all your catbirds they are everywhere here so I gave them some strawberries that I bought at the store.I haven't noticed them at the serviceberries yet though! Sarah


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Well, the Catbirds were not here when the Serviceberries had fruit but they are here now eating fruit from anything that is ripe!


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Well, the Serviceberry leaves are turning Autumn Gold now.


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Yeh, it's March! That means soon I can look forward to green buds and flowers on my serviceberries (and everything else too!). I just can't wait for winter to be over and spring to arrive in the garden.


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Good thread for a future juneberry newbie. How are you peoples growing these things? I've got a spot that will get about 2 or 3 hours of noon light with light shade in the morning and heavier shade in the afternoon. Sound good?
Looking at sln's site I am thinking of a prince william and a success since I don't really want them to go over 15'. Perhaps a smokey too...

Here is a link that might be useful: SLN


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Dragon, I think that it sounds as though they would grow there, but you might not get many berries. I believe they need more sun than that. I'm no expert though.


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I have found that the Regent Serviceberries fruit the heaviest and the birds do very much like them but there are fruit that they eat first such as the sweet cherries and the blueberries.

The Regent Serviceberries have the largest berries of any of the ones in my yard. Still Serviceberries taste so bland to be compaired to blueberries. I don't really know why they are compaired to Blueberries, they don't taste at all alike.

Lately I have a Mockingbird going crazy trying to guard the Serviceberries and Blueberries from other fruit eating birds. A lost cause for him. There are some robins around that prefer the Serviceberies to the Blueberries and the Catbirds grab whichever they can before the Mockingbird notices them.


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Ummm...at the SLN sight, it says serviceberries need 2 to pollinate? Did I read that right?


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Ummm...at the SLN sight, it says serviceberries need 2 to pollinate? Did I read that right?

You must not have. I have never read anything like that. I ordered an amelanchier from them last spring and its doing very well. In fact, when I opened the package, there were actually two trees. I've also rooted a cutting successfully from one this spring, so I now have my third serviceberry for my yard. SLN is an excellent place to buy from.


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I believe that you will get a heavy fruit set with more than one type. Maybe that is what you are thinking of? They are like apples that way. They must be different species, but flower at the same time.


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I love how long a history this thread has! :) Gives me hope for my little serviceberries--maybe one of y'all has an idea on what might be plaguing my serviceberries. This spring, I ordered two serviceberries (A. canadiensis) from Wayside Gardens. It was my first order from them. So far the multi-stemmed trees are doing fairly well--though I fear that they have rust or a similar problem. They are growing well but some of the leaves are reddish (drying up and dying) and have holes in them. I plan to investigate that further today--any links on serviceberry disease/pests? It has been a cool dry spring with a very sudden onset of blistering heat--so they may just be wanting more water than I've been providing. One leafed out well before the other, but both are about the same height (4.5-5 ft). They are lovely plants, and the more I read, the more inspired I get! :)


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Hi Everyone. I am thinking of putting a serviceberry in my front yard. However, I am confused as to which serviceberry is the tallest. Please help by giving me the exact name so that I can make sure I got the right one. I want the tree and not the bush. Also, how tall is the tallest serviceberry tree at maturity and how long will that take to reach maturity? Thank you.


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Jane,
If you can find Allegheny Serviceberry, A.laevis - it'll probably be your best bet for a tree-type serviceberry. May still require some work to get it to stay as a single-stem plant early on, but it can be done with some judicious pruning.
Can't give you any real indication on how fast they grow - that'll vary considerably, based on soil conditions and genetics. I've seen some nice tree-form A.laevis that were 15 ft or so here in town(Hopkinsville). OIKOS Tree Crops offers seedlings of selections (A.laevis and A.x lamarckii) that are 25-40 ft.


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I forgot I posted on this thread...here is what it says about the serviceberry, I copied and pasted it here...I spaced it where it talks about needing "at least 2 to POLLINATE"....

Wild Juneberry or Serviceberry Amelanchier alnifolia & canadensis
attractive to wildlife
1 to 2 ft. plants $6.00 each, $50 package of 10

At least two plants required for pollination.

These are unselected (wild-type) seedlings. The fruit, while it is smaller and less abundant than that of the selected Juneberry or "Saskatoon" varieties, is very attractive to wildlife. Also known as Shadblow, this native shrub, more like a small tree, is the first to adorn the Spring landscape, bursting forth with a profusion of smalll white flowers. The fruit is similar to a blueberry. Fall foliage is striking red splashed with yellow and orange. The lowbush form, Amelanchier alnifolia, grows best in the western states, whereas the highbush form, Amelanchier canadensis, is best for eastern locations. Alnifolia grows to 6-10 feet and should be spaced 3 to 4 feet apart; canadensis reaches 20-25 feet and should be planted at least 6 to 8 feet apart.

If one goes back up to the SNL link, click on that, then click where (I believe) natives is highlighted...this is where I got the information.

Terry


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Wow...I read the whole thing...I live in coastal SC, and every time I call a nursery, they say, "huh"? I'd like to know if anyone has suggestions for varieties in my climate..mail order is good, I sure wish there were a nursery where I could find a larger one..or 3! And it seems they're edible...if you can beat the birds....like serviceberry pie edible?


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You know, I ordered a few from St. Lawrence Nursery, but they specialize in cold climate plants. They had a lot of varieties and seemed to know a lot about the ones to plant where. I'd try a place like Pine Ridge in Arkansas though as it is closer to your climate.


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Hi Lucky, Thank you for the information! I will check into that. Terryr says a person needs at least two to pollinate. Does this mean that one Allegheny Serviceberry will not flower and berry by itself? I don't have room for two in my front yard I dont think. Jane


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Just when i was wondering where to order serviceberries, I came upon this marvelous string. Thanks!!! I am not too far from you Lucky P - shall I order from SLN? I'd like to have the Regent (that newyorkrita raves about) and the Prince william candensis from them. Who do you recommend? I ask this only because we are from a warmer zone and SLN is oriented to the colder areas.


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My guess is that you probably could buy from a nursery further north, but not too much further south. I'm no expert though. I'd look for someone in your area. I think you could check with Pine Ridge in Arkansas.


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"I" didn't say a person needs 2, the SLN website did. That is something I'd like to know also because I've heard you only need 1.

I'm wondering if it would't be better to order from someplace that is colder instead of warmer. I've had friends bring me back plants from TN. That's 2 zones warmer instead of just 1 (I'm thinking Pine Ridge AR is a zone 7). My thinking in that is that the stuff grown in a warmer climate is more acclimated to that weather. Therefore it takes longer to acclimate to a colder climate, whereas 1 grown in a colder climate would be able to acclimate more to a warmer climate. Is that backwards? I don't know. I've always heard it's better to buy something grown locally, but when you can't find it, and you want it, you have to mail order it. Like vonyon, I'm no expert by a long shot!

Terry


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One other thing to consider is that this is not the best time of year to plant shrubs and trees. You would be much better off to wait until spring. The plant then has a good stretch of good weather to acclimate to your area. I planted about 200 or so shrubs (can't remember exactly) last spring and lost 1 or 2 total. I'm not entirely sure I even lost them. I would plant in spring if at all possible. From what I have heard.........dogwoods in particular have trouble if they are transplanted in the fall.

Terry: My understanding of serviceberries is that they are like apples. Two types are better than one, but not necessary. They are monoecious and will pollinate themselves unlike holly which is dioecious and needs a male and a female to produce fruit. Having said that, I believe that more than one different type will create a higher yield of berries. I think the Prince and the Princesses are of the same parentage or something (canadensis?), so that wouldn't help. As for whether the lower growing types will help the canadensis, I have no idea. I have all types here, so have no idea if one will pollinate the other. Hopefully, one of the experts will come on here and give us an opinion. If not, call SLN. They are really nice people and helped me to pick and choose the best plants for my area. I am so glad that I called them, because I would have bought the wrong thing if I had not talked to them. I think the lower-growing variety (sasketoon?) grows better in the west because of the tendencey toward a more alkaline soil. The canadensis grows better here because of the tendency toward acid soil. If you call them, they are very helpful. I would tell them that you only have room for one and which one would they recommend. The one that I bought called running serviceberry has only been here two years and was loaded with berries this year already.

The thing about SLN is that their stock is small. I believe they claim that they try to concentrate on a healthy, robust root system and that is why. I have had good luck with everything I have bought from them. I have found that native stuff seems to take a good year to concentrate growth into the roots and then it takes off in the second year. I don't know if that is just natives, but that has been my experience.


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Thank you vonyon. I do have 1, just the straight species. My problem is, I can't remember where it's planted...is it the 1 I brought up from TN and was doing wonderfully, but now looks dead? Too much rain? I have very good black dirt, drains easily. Or, is it the 1 I planted out front? Or is that the elderberry? I do think the serviceberry is out front and the elderberry is the 1 out back. If it is the elderberry out back, any idea on why now it's leaves are all wilted and almost black? Before we got all this rain, it had nice green leaves. Don't get me wrong, we need the rain (we didn't need all the hail on Thurs night, good grief..golf ball and bigger size! my poor car..). It's just that now we're getting it every other day, if not every day. And I ordered perennials from Prairy Nusery that need to get planted (not to mention the garage needs painting and is/was all cleaned and powerwashed and the deck needs staining, it was striped and cleaned and on and on). I also thought apples needed 2 or more. I didn't think they were self pollinating?

Terry


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Terry: Elderberries like it wet. I doubt it is the water that is killing it. Also, I believe apples are self-pollinating, but will produce more fruit with more than one kind.


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SLN stock does just fine here in southern west-central KY. Best performers for me have been some row-run seedlings of Timm & Success that I got years ago from the now-defunct Bear Creek Nursery, in WA.
Serviceberries are self-fertile, and apomixis is common - seeds can develop without fertilization, yielding seedlings that are exact clones of the 'mother' plant. So...a single plant can produce fruit just fine; will yields be greater if you have more than one variety? Maybe.

I don't get too caught up in the zone difference thing, though with some plants it can be important - though in some cases, movements from west to east are more important than north/south relocations. I've moved stuff from my boyhood home in AL, two zones warmer than here, with minimal losses attributable to the colder winters. I tend to push the envelope, and have killed a bunch of stuff, but some of it survives in spite of me.

MrsPaul - there are 'Southern' juneberries - Edible Landscaping used to carry "Jennybelle", a selection of A.obovata; I've got it, but it's less impressive than A.laevis or the A.alnifolia selections in virtually every respect - appearance and fruit production. Mike Dirr has made some A.x grandifolia selections at UGa, but I don't know if they're commercially available.

Fruits on the A.x grandiflora selections I've seen(probably Autumn Brilliance in almost all instances) are quite a bit larger than those of the A.alnifolias as well as A.laevis.


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Man I'm bad sometimes at checking back! O.k. vonyon, if it wasn't the water, what was it? I only have 1 immediate neighbor...live on a corner lot, with alley behind me. I know the neighbors never use herbicides or pesticides, nothing in their yard, nothing in mine. There are many plants near this, so if it was over spray , it would have affected more than just my elderberry, wouldn't it? I'm just so bummed that it died....I will wait till next spring to see if I get lucky and get some new growth, but man. What a bummer!

Terry


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Terry: I'm sorry to hear this. I am far from am expert. I just know that elderberries were recommended for a wet area and that is where I put them. In one year from roots with crowns, my elderberries are about 6 feet tall and 3 feet wide. They are also covered with berries. So, that is why I'm saying that I doubt it is too wet. I just started in this game a year or two ago. I have had good luck getting advice here, but this forum doesn't seem to be attracting the same posters that it used to attact. Maybe you should post this on the shrubs forum.


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vonyon: I've heard the same thing. That they adapt really, to any type soil. I've got it in mostly shade, so it retains some moisture, but isn't "wet". I don't think I did it any favors by planting it, digging it up, bringing it to IL, replanting it, digging it up and then finally replanting it...lol..did you get all that? I'm not new to gardening, but like you in the length of plants for wildlife. I think I will post it on the shrub forum and see what I get.

Terry


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Some of the serviceberries are getting ready to bloom. The Regents, as usuall, are going to be COVERED in blossoms. Hopeing for flowers on the Northern Juneberry types that I got from Oikos but I forgot to check them yesterday and today it is sleeting so I am not going out there to look.

I have to move a row of Regents because I am putting in more blueberies for myself this spring so I have to get to that ASAP.


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Some things are greening up...mostly my iris, but no shrubs, trees, doing anything. Just look like a bunch of sticks. I'm anxious to see if my elderberry comes back, or if I lost it. I've been invited to somebodies house not too far away that has a bunch. So, they'll get replaced one way or another.

Good to have you back Rita!

Terry


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All my Serviceberries are in bloom and it looks lovely!! The Regent Serviceberries are going to be LOADED with fruit as usual as the shrubs just keep getting more mature.

Hurray!! I have flowers on 5 of my Amelanchier gaspensis (Northern Juneberries) serviceberries. This is the first year they have flowered since I put them in. So I am going to be looking forward to tasting their fruit and compairing it to my others!

I moved a row of smaller Regent Serviceberry plants and put in 12 more Blueberry plants today, I am poofed! When the blueberries start to ripen up, the birds will leave even the serviceberries to eat the blueberries.

I also have flowers for the first time on my dwarf beach plums, they are going to be loaded but the flowers are not open yet.


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  • Posted by lkz5ia z5 west iowa (My Page) on
    Mon, May 22, 06 at 0:45

Some of my conservation grade alnifolia(presently 2ft tall), that I bought from lawyer nursery last year, have flowered and have fruit developing.
Hopefully, I will be able to eat some when they are ripe. Sometimes the birds get over anxious.


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The Serviceberries go from Green to red then deep puple when they are ripe. The birds start inspecting the berries when they start turning red and eat them red before they are ripe. The only reason I get to eat Serviceberries before the critters finish them off is because I have so many serviceberry shrubs that fruit so heavily that the birds don't get to eat them all unripe.


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My serviceberry planted last year and just a couple of sticks really, bloomed this spring for the first time. I was so anxious to see if I'd get berries also....but then, I think a squirrel, came along and broke off the part where the blooms had been. I'm hoping perhaps it puts a ton of energy into growing this.......

Terry

P.S. I went to the above mentioned persons house and he had dug me a huge elderberry! So huge in fact, he wrapped burlap around the rootball. My other one was dead dead dead.


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I can't believe I hardly knew what a servicebery was before 2002. The Regent Serviceberries I planted way back then have grown and filled in like crazy. They fruit like mad. The ones I planted in a row have sorta grown together so that it looks like a hedge.

The Amelanchier gaspensis (Northern Juneberries) serviceberries have grown and are mostly taller than the Regent Serviceberries. I know they weren't supposed to get that tall. Anyway they all have heavy fruit set this spring.

I really get less fruit set on the other types of serviceberries i planted and if I had to do it over would not have gotten them. Still, all the serviceberry shrubs thrive here.


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I've been reading this one topic a lot and visiting the different nurseries online. I love edible landscaping, especially fruits and berries. I have Washington Hawthorns, Elderberries (Adams/Johns), 3 grapevines, 4 dwarf cherry trees, a mulberry tree (Morus alba), strawberries, blackberries, amber raspberries, coralberries, and blueberries mixed in with perennial flowers in my urban yard.

When I stop reading the topics long enough to figure out how to post pictures, I will post some berry pics as I have two different berries that I didn't plant and need an ID. I've been looking high and low on the internet, but can't figure out what they are on my own. Both of the unknown berries were in my yard before I started planting stuff, so I know it isn't stuff I've purchased or piggybacked in with stuff I purchased. I also don't see them elsewhere in my neighborhood and the hubby worries they might be poisonous - I'm tempted to taste them every year.

I planted the hawthorns for the songbirds to eat. I think I have about 25 planted and thriving since last spring. I'm hoping the birds will eat those and the coralberries more and leave me with enough of the other fruits that I end up with stomach aches from eating too much. Next year, along with doubling the amount of grape vines, I'll probably plant 5 more blackberries (3 different varieties tbd this winter.) I will also plant at least 2 varieties of red raspberries.

If you haven't noticed, I like plants with thorns. I used the Hawthorns to create a hedge on the north and south sides of my front yard. But I will move them all to the north side and put a blackberry hedge on the south side. I have to do this to keep the mailman, neighbors and felines out of my yard - I have to protect my flowers also. I want my yard to be a sanctuary for the birds, but cats keep visiting and stalking the poor birds because I have several neighbors that let their cats roam the neighborhood as they please. After my thorny plants started growing, my yard hasn't been the neighborhood litter box it once was. (I just hope I don't accidently sit on my thorny babies like I did many years ago on a rose bush because I literally could not sit for weeks!) I also haven't had to worry about my indoor-only cat being worked into a frenzy from the cats taunting her at the windows.

Anyhow, I realize now that there are many many serviceberries but I can't find good photos of them. I've found a lot of information, some drawings, and a few photos that looked like wilted flowers. I also haven't seen any mention of thorns - do any serviceberry plants have thorns? Where can I find clear photos of a few different types alongside good descriptions? (I'm planting thornless fruit away from the property borders.) I still need plants for my edible hedge along the front/west side of my front yard - hopefully thorny and growing at least 4' -6' high. Otherwise, I'll continue to use the Washington Hawthorns for a hedge but add 2 Rose of Sharon (Hibiscus syriacus 'Aphrodite') bushes for the butterflies on each side of the front gate. After all that, I still have a couple spots left for either serviceberry, or maybe currants. A few photos of the serviceberry growing in your gardens would help me choose.


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  • Posted by ellix augusta ga (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 10, 07 at 8:37

I live in the south-in Ga. and would like to know which types of serviceberry trees grow well here as well as suppliers in the south that would carry them?


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Below is a site that has pictures of a few of the species. In general I find the UConn site very useful and accurate.

Here is a search page you can enter Amelanchier on and get back a few additional species. ellix, you can add in your zone there as well. If you can find something native to your area, that might be an indication of something that would do well. For suppliers, if nobody else answers, you can try gardenwatchdog.com, go to the search by category and specify "plants: wildflower and natives". From there you can filter by state.

http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/plantfinder/Search.asp

Here is a link that might be useful: UConn Plant DB page with Amelanchier on it


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Another thing that has worked out very well here as far as the serviceberries go is that the Amelanchier gaspensis (Northern Juneberries) serviceberries fruit and ripen after the Regent serviceberries. This extends the fruit season for all the fruit eating birds here and there sure are a lot of them.

What a difference in the amount of bird traffic in my yard since I put in all these shrubs for fruit and cover. Birds love it here now.


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  • Posted by ellix augusta ga (My Page) on
    Thu, Jul 19, 07 at 12:20

Thanks for the info. I want to put in 3-4 of these treees and can't wait.


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OK..another 5 years have past,..still no regrets by putting them in, Rita?


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