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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree with Ed. You can't count on compost for nutrients in a container. There is no soil bacteria to convert it to nutrients. Container plants require weekly feeding. A common recommendation around here is 1/2 strength well-balanced fertilizer once a week minimum. More often if you are having to water daily.

Your watering regimen sounds a bit off too and is the most common cause of those yellow leaves. When you water do it well - until water runs out the bottom of the pot, Then do not water again until the soil 4" down is dry. Do NOT use the soil surface as a valid indication of the need for water. Stick your finger deep into the soil before watering. Keep in mind that over-watering kills more plants than under-watering.

Dave

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 6:04PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

This is just the nature of container planting, especially when it is down sized. It is not just about the tomatoes , it is universal. JMO.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 7:34PM
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edweather(Zone 5a/b Central NY)

Yes, definitely get rid of the BER tomatoes asap. No sense wasting anymore plant energy on those. So far you are fortunate with only a 'few.' Examine your tomatoes carefully just in case there are more. I hate it when I don't see it until the tomatoes get big, when I could have tossed them a week ago.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 5:02PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

See the FAQ re BER
http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/tomato/
(2nd item on the list)

Here is a link that might be useful: tomato FAQ

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 6:59PM
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njitgrad

Here are some pics from today. To the right of the IDH is a Black Zebra and then a Black Krim. The IDH is nearly twice as tall, and is half as bushy.






    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 1:49PM
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2ajsmama

I'm guessing we bought the same packet and it was mislabeled. At least you've got fruit! My blossoms haven't even opened (saw the first buds a week ago). Please join the discussion on the other thread and keep us posted on the progress!

Sure doesn't look like a determinate to me (what my packet read, I'm assuming you got the same packaging since you say it's hybrid 49 DTM)!

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 3:15PM
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monet_g

It's called "catfacing". We all deal with it at one time or another. It's caused by stress when the blossom is developing, including cold nights. The good news is that it usually occurs only on the first fruits. (Got much of my information by Googling.;-))

Black Krim is one of my favorites for both production and taste. Once this bout is over, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 1:06PM
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vladiz

I really appreciate your response. That makes total sense as they were planted in mid-May when temps were around their high 40- low 50 at that time. Thank you!
As of right now each plant only has about 3-4 fruits set and unfortunately a lot of dried up blossoms that never got set. The plants themselves are really nicely developed and are thick and about 4 â tall, hopefully youâÂÂre right and weâÂÂll more to come throughout the summer.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 2:45PM
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BriAnDaren Ottawa, On Zone 5(5)

Yellow Pear is regular leaf, not potato.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Yellow_Pear

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 11:34AM
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labradors_gw

BriAnDaren

You are right! I've been growing these for years and they always come true. I wonder what they are? Cherry sized, yellow and pear shaped..... I don't think mine are spitters, although they aren't the best tasting.

The seeds came from a seed sanctuary in Kingston, ON.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 1:34PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

There are lots of Zebra varieties - Tatiana's lists 147. Even when narrowed down to the reds and/or blacks there are still more than 50. There is no way to even know if it is an OP or a hybrid. Best Guess - Black Zebra (odds are at least 20:1 that is wrong).

So as we always say every time anyone asks to ID a variety from a photo - it is impossible to do. Search pulls up 291 requests for an ID and the answer is the same in every case.

Sorry.

Dave

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 12:18PM
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labradors_gw

Thanks Dave,

The colours look exactly right for Black Zebra, but BZ doesn't appear to be a plum! I thought that with the shape and the two-tone stripes there might be a chance that it could be obvious to someone who has grown it.

Linda

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 1:01PM
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drew51 SE MI Z5b/6a(5b/6a)

I tried a grafted plant this year and I'm very impressed. I can't comment on productivity, although it is outgrowing all other plants at a fast rate. But what I find valuable is the fact the plant can tolerate bad conditions a lot better. We had too much rain and all my tomatoes lost lower leaves to yellowing from the excess water, except the grafted plant which seems to thrive under any conditions.
So in places where it rains a lot or have shortened seasons, it is a definite plus. Not surprising as grafting has worked so well for fruit trees. A great idea!

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 10:48AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

I also have couple of grafted cherries, but so far nothing evident since most fruits are smaller than half size.

I have also trimmed them. Now each has a total of 4 branches at 6' height..
Anyway, about grafting, I believe it when I see it.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 2:55AM
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donna_in_sask

That pot looks awfully small...maybe that is stressing it? It's not only the yellowing at the bottom, the top leaves are showing signs of curling too. Your fertilizer brand (Fox Farm) was mentioned on something I read recently and it was not recommended for some reason, maybe check and see whether others agree...

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 12:57AM
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christacharlene(6)

We always ending up staking our cages. We start out with cages (the kind with 3-4 rings). Our plants always get huge and our cages start leaning. At that point we bring out the stakes and kind of weave them between the rings in the cage and then pound the stakes into the ground. It works really well.

    Bookmark     June 30, 2013 at 4:09PM
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LostOwl

We are showing fruit; 10 showing on the staked tomatoes, and 6 on the caged ones.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 8:19PM
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thebutcher(6b (Philadelphia area))

Thanks all

The tomato was about 5ft high Uncle T, the others about 4ft. As far as them Cherry bombs I will post a new photo thread on hotpepper. I just put themsome in new in fabric pots I just got.

@tomatomike thanks, for the response, I just hope to get this thing :). I thought it could be a catipillar. only one way to see. I am setting my GoPro camera out to film for a few hours.

I really want to go after this varmit "Bill Murry style from cadyshack". Last year we did have a squirrel problem and many years before as well. But this year a huge red bird "Not Cardinal" but has been sitting on the fence and lives in the tree next door, it has a redish orange belly.

Out of my own stupidity I just sprayed Wd-40 on the fence before I read the replys, someone at the garden shop said it prevents birds if that is the culprit but who knows.

I will take everyones advice and thanks again both for replying. I posted a video of my squirrel problem last year. with my GoPro camera. The squirrel kept coming into my back yard and was trying to see what he was doing.

Edit on: Tomatoe in trash thanks again both :) Just hope it is not an inlaw as Uncle T said

Here is a link that might be useful: my squirrel problem last year

This post was edited by thebutcher on Tue, Jul 9, 13 at 19:02

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 6:10PM
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thebutcher(6b (Philadelphia area))

Sorry for double post, but I just set up the gopro to see what happens aimed at where it happened. If it is a catepilar then it would make sense why the birds were watching. Trying to see if that varmit goes for anything. :)

PS Uncle T that last black bag is one of the Cherry Bombers.

- Mr Beno

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 7:36PM
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sheltieche

edweather, they not late tomatoes, I am expecting them ready in 3 weeks or so. For Chicago it is middle range.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 12:25PM
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garystpaul(4)

Agree with Julia: pretty and novel, but quite bland, at least in my garden last year. Wouldn't grow these again.

Gary

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 7:21PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

The ones on the plants (and the harvested front half) probably are either:
--Baby Roma ..OR
-- San Marzano

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 11:25PM
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Bets(z6A S ID)

Seysonn,

They may look like Baby Roma or San Marzano.

But they also look like Amish Paste.

or

Amish Red

or

Opalka

or

One of many other pointed red/pink tomatoes:

Anna's Multiflora
Apple Tree
Vzryv
Aztec
Bobbie
Brandysweet Plum
Brin de Muguet
Britain's Breakfast
Burkina Faso
Burning Spear
Cornue Des Andes
Eleanor
Ernie's Pointed
Ernie's Pointed
Lau's Pointed Leaf
Erotica
Fireworks
Food Pantry Grape
Gallo Plum
High Crimson
Howard German
Iditarod Red
Jet
Jolly F1
Kiev
Kimberley
Kotlas
Kron-Prince
Laketa
Larisa
Legenda Tarasenko
Micro Tom
Myona
Polish Linguisa
Rianto
Roger's Juicy Red Oblong
Romanita
Roza Vetrov
Rozovyi Flamingo
Russian Dagger
Sarnowski Polish Plum
Shapka Monomakha
Sosulka Rozovaya
Sweet Dreams
Téton de Vénus
Téton de Vénus Jaune
Tip Top
Trinity Red
Ukrainian Poet
VB Russia
Zwerg Israel

Or hundreds of others.

Yeah, I know not all of those are paste tomatoes, but they are all red or pink and usually do have nipples on the blossom end. I didn't really want to narrow it down more, but you shouold get my point.

MY point is, with VERY few exceptions, you can't tell a variety by looking.

Betsy

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 5:46PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

completely remove the entire stem down to the branch

dave

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 5:32PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

T-5 (hyphen needed). Everything I have read about it is that it is still just in research field trials (last season was apparently the first) so seed wouldn't be available to the public. It will go out to a few selected local commercial growers first once field trials are finished if it follows the usual path.

You can always contact TAMU Extension for info on when and if it may be available to the public.

Dave

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 9:53PM
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ABlindHog(8a Tx Hill Country)

Dave
Thank you once again.
Mike

    Bookmark     July 9, 2013 at 9:50AM
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hudson___wy(3)

Looks perfect edweather!! Please post photos of your other varieties as they ripen!

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 5:34PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Nice color and shape and looks tasty, ED.
Is it a potato leaf ?

I was hoping to have a ripe one for The Fourth. But did not happened. Just two days later one started getting blush. Actually now there are several of them on Early Girl.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 11:49PM
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