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You have two posts with the exact same question. So people are answering here without seeing the photos on the other post. I would let this one go and just refer people to your other post on this forum.

See this post for a photo- http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tomato/msg0616244922567.html

Here is a link that might be useful: Photo

It is an indeterminate, and it says that it should grow to 5-8 feet eventually. Interesting idea with the root bound, I will try to dig it up this weekend and see if that is the issue. Thanks!

You didn't plant it in a peat pot did you? If it looked healthy otherwise I would leave it since you might set it back more by digging it up and tear the tender roots it has developed so far. If you planted it in a peat pot definitely dig it up and remove it. You will get a lot of different opinions on this and I don't think there is a "right" or wrong. Its not a closeup photo but it just looks smaller to me but fairly healthy. Did you plant it deeper or was it smaller to start with?

Did you transplant it or just leave it in the same container? It should have been transplanted into a much larger container if you didn't.

It is never a good idea to buy plants that already have blooms, much less fruit, on them as they are already often too old to do well. Post a picture of the plant if you can so we can see what is going on.

Have you fed it? How often are you watering it?

Dave

Bush type and determinant are are the reason for slow growth. I have two of them planted the same time as other indeterminants. The bush/determinants are about 10 to 14 inches tall while indets are over 3ft tall.

This post was edited by seysonn on Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 3:49

No taller than 2' for 8 weeks?? That's a long time. My thoughts go immediately to the root syatem as Betsy suggested, and they also might be rootbound. It almost seems like you have nothing to lose by digging up at least one of them and see what's going on. Loosen the roots, remove the yellow leaves, plant them deeper, and mulch heavy.

your raised bed/box seems to be about 6" empty. I would cut all the side shoot at the lower part, also cut all the yellow leaves and fill up the box with soil/compost . Add some granular fertilizer , mulch it and water.

Yellowing is an indication of lacking nutriens and/or two much watering.

The stems is a good point as i should have said "leaves and stems" above. I tend to assume that if all the leaves are treated the spray will get the stems too and that isn't a valid assumption.

Keep in mind that fungicides are not a cure. They are primarily a preventative. So best results are obtained when applied from the day of plant out. Once the disease sets in, the best you can hope for with fungicides is to slow down its progress so you can get a harvest. Of course some fungal disease progress much more rapidly than others.

If Grey Mold is what you are dealing with then IMO you'll get better results from all the cultural controls for it than from the fungicides. Massively increasing the air circulation in and among the plants even if it means sacrificing a few of them, removal of all affected foliage ASAP, no overhead watering, increasing sun exposure as much as possible, tool and hand sanitation so you aren't carrying it from plant to plant, increased N to the plants (studies show it slows the spore growth), even dusting with lime or sulfur or spraying with dilute hydrogen peroxide to alter the pH of the plant surfaces can retard its development and spread.

Dave

Thanks for the tips, some of things I do and some I should do more of. My plants are in crw cages 5' apart in rows 5' apart and are even staggered from row to row to increase air circulation. I don't water unless it is a drought situation and then I use a soaker hose on the ground. I should spray from the beginning but I hardly ever have a problem unless conditions are just right. I am starting to grow more OP/Heirloom varieties so I am going to have to be more proactive. I guess on the bright side before I even got a chance to spray I didn't see any new occurrence.

The spots on the fruit are more likely a mechanical damage than disease (most likely from insect feeding).

Fungicide wouldn't hurt. Who knows how wet or dry the rest of the season will be? I just planted 6 tomatoes I had been holding back since I didn't start that many, and replaced a couple that looked really bad from all the rain, ad now we're under a Severe T-Storm Watch (sigh). Still have about a dozen to replace, and 50 peppers to plant out (1 is starting to blossom and they're still in 6-packs).

Tortoise beetles. Their preferred food is morning glory, including the wild bindweed. If they were feeding on your tomaotes you would see holes, so likely they are passing through on their way to find a real food source. AJs, bugs are usually pretty specific about what they eat, so I would look real close to see if any of the bettels are actually chewing the plants. They do make holes about the size of themselves in morning glory leaves.

Bind weed I've got! Strange thing is, I had been seeing these occasionally on the potted tomatoes as I was hardening them off near the house (still have some bindweed I pull out of the garden, I don't know where it comes from since I haven't noticed it in the lawn - that's a combo of knotweed, crabgrass, and clover LOL). I'll look for larger holes, but mostly my hybrids (some OP varieties) have FB damage with brown tissue around the shotgun holes. I've never noticed brown dead tissue around holes in brassicas, but I read that it's a different species of FB that attacks nightshade family.

Overall a very buggy year - lots of spiders too, I don't mind them outside but don't like them in the house or the cars.

I would start with the fungicide sprays asap.

This post was edited by sjetski on Sun, Jun 16, 13 at 20:22

I think the yellow spots on the tomatoes might just be from where they were touching each other, or touching the plant, while being watered. Unless the tomato spots 'progress' in some way, I don't think they are important.

So sorry you're feeling bad Stella. Trust me, I've been there. Before you pull anything up, remember that the odds are in your favor on this! There are no reports of LB on your area, and it is a pretty carefully tracked disease from what I gather.

There are other things you could do before giving up...bring a sample to your county extension, post a couple more photos here so we might give more informed opinions, use chlorothalonil and see if the disease slows (LB would have laid your tomato flat by now, right?) I'd just hate for you to feel defeated if it does turn out to be something your plants could grow through!

Whatever you decide, you have plenty of sympathetic hearts here!

Why pull anything? If it is an infection, it is already omnipresent in the local environment. Plants will either get it, or they won't. By pulling a plant you MIGHT prevent it from spreading, but very doubtful.

Instead, I'd just try to treat your tomatoes well and give them time. Admittedly, I live in a DRY, desert state, not in a humid, subtropical area, like you, but in my experience (in my own local area), most tomato diseases, if they even occur, tend to be nuisances rather than disasters. MOST of them affect how the plant looks, and might possibly decrease production, but they don't generally kill the plants.

If you are concerned about a fungal borne infection, and that is what your pictures most resemble to me, then you might consider trying a copper based fungicide, and leave it at that, to see what happens.

Good luck.

Not to mention that it could be neither one. Given the tag situation
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I like this one. There is a lot of suspense and drama and at the end you'll get some kind of tomatoes anyway. Anticipation is the spice of life.

Well, I suppose it's a real mystery then! I'll probably post a picture once it starts getting some color to its' tomatoes. :) Thank you guys!

Hello Chris,

Question #1. The key word there is resistant, it doesn't say bullet proof. A resistant plant can still get the disease they were bred to be resist.

As for Question #2. Looking at your photos, I am not sure that you have early blight, as they don't show the "typical" symptoms that the Texas A & M site lists:

"Leaf symptoms of early blight are large irregular patches of black, necrotic tissue surrounded by larger yellow areas. The leaf spots have a characteristic concentric banding appearance (oyster-shell or bullâÂÂs eye)."

Cornell's photos of Early Blight on Tomato Leaves

The spots on the fruit, do they show the symptoms listed here: Cottony Leak? Is the center of those spots watery? (Which can be caused by several fungi, as noted on that page.)

To me, what you have, looks like it might actually be a case of fertilizer burn. Check out number 12 on this page. Also if you do a Google image search for"fertilizer burn on tomatoes" you will see several picture that look a lot like some of yours. Many new gardeners are guilty of "over loving" their tomatoes.

To be able to suggest what might be wrong with your plant, it would be helpful to know more about the environment it is in. So, here are the "usual" questions:

Is the plant in the ground or in a container?

If in a container, what growing medium are you using? How large is the container? Is it self-watering or do you manually water it? Is the container in full sun, part sun or shade?

For both container plants and inground plants, it would be helpful to know these things as well: How often do you water? Have you checked the moisture of the growing medium or soil 3-5" below the surface? Is it dry, just right, or soggy? Are you feeding the plant? How often? What are the NPK values of any fertilizers you are using to feed it? What has the weather been like in your area?

If the plant is in the ground: Have you used any amendments? Do you mulch? If so, with what and how much (how deep)? Are there any other plants near the problem plant that are showing similar issues?

The more information you can give us, the better the chances that someone can give you an accurate diagnosis.

Betsy

This post was edited by bets on Sun, Jun 16, 13 at 19:36

Thanks everyone. To answer some questions, it gets full sun, and is in a 1' tall raised bed, filled with a soil mix from a local nursery. I believe the mix contains compost, wood particles, sand, maybe some fertilizer... it seems pretty fast-draining. I've been watering every 2-3 days, using a hose or watering can at ground level (trying to avoid the foliage) and using the wooden chopstick method recommended here to determine when it's needed. I think I was initially overwatering, and now am erring on the side of letting it dry out too much, but I've never seen the plant start to wilt. I sprinkled a small handful of organic fertilizer (3-6-4) a few weeks ago and watered it in, but that's it. I have 3 other plants in the same bed / growing conditions: an Arkansas Traveler that's starting to show some affected foliage, and a Champion 2 and a Purple Calabash that are both fine. I hadn't mulched, but just added 2" of straw this weekend. The weather has averaged highs in the upper 80s and lows in the upper 50s over the past 2 weeks. I have sprinklers on the yard, and some of the mist might be hitting my tomatoes, but not much.
I haven't seen any stinkbugs in the garden, but I'm not sure what time of day they're active. I've been looking at a lot of pictures online, but haven't seen anything that really matches what I'm seeing. The foliage problems usually start with black, dried out edges, and then progressively turns yellow up the leaf and back along the leaf stem to the main stem, at which point the leaf stem dies and is really easy to break off. The foliage that is sickening doesn't seem to be particularly humid or damp. I don't think it could be over-fertilizing or incorrect watering, but I don't know - that's why I'm asking the experts! :-) The disease seemed to start at the bottom of the plant and spread upward. The plant is continuing to produce good foliage at the growing tips, and is sprouting from the base as well. The spots on the tomatoes seem to just be cosmetic - the fruit is solid underneath, not watery, and it tastes good.
Thanks again for all your help! If you need any more specific pictures to make a diagnosis, please let me know. I'm happy to try using a copper spray or something to see if that helps - could it hurt, or can it harm other garden vegetables (like the chard I have next to that tomato plant?)