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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

Did you add any manure? Fresh or composted? Bagged or from a farm?

If so, check the info about contaminated organic matter, the clopyralid issue mentioned above. (The same effect with several related compounds also.)

See the extensive info here: http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/soilmgmt/clopyralid.htm

And do the easy bio-assay to determine if your soil is contaminated.

Here is a link that might be useful: contaminated manures, etc

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 12:42AM
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capoman(5a)

manda: Ontario has pretty strict rules on herbicides. For the most part they are banned, but allowed for health reasons such as poison ivy elimination. Townships are allowed a bit of leeway for road maintenance, but not pathways. If you have neighbours using them, you have good reason to tell them to stop. It may be that if you can identify the source, you can ask them to stop for legal reasons.

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 3:24PM
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oliveoyl3

Great report bigpinks! Just the inspiration I needed to hear at the start of our summer weather pattern. While many of you have had warm & dry weather it's just beginning here in WA state. Our forecast finally has all suns & O% precip for over a week! We'll dry out a bit & put some more growth on tomatoes.

I removed all my plastic surrounds just yesterday. Lots of blooms. Some fruit set. Some fruit turning lighter green. That's how far we are behind most of you with warm weather. Overnight lows will still be in 50s, but no longer 40s. July & August are our summer months with sometimes extending into Sept. until the fall rains begin again.

I'm going to out do some finger pokes to check soil moisture. I want those plants to start off well watered & ready to grow.

Corrine

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 12:08PM
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bigpinks

Best of luck Corrine

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 2:06PM
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RpR_(3-4)

Removing excess leaf stems removes excess weight causing broken stems and allow more air and light into the plant.

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 12:21AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Removing excess leaf stems removes excess weight causing broken stems and allow more air and light into the plant.

It also increases sun scald of the fruit and decreases the plants ability to photosynthesize energy for growth and production.

chuckby - why not browse through all the other discussions here on pruning for more information? There are many of them that already detail all the reasons - both pro and con - already running. I linked a long one from this front page below.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: to prune or not to prune

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 10:08AM
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bingster

Chris,

Sorry...meant humid, not "humis"!! Google tomato plant diseases or something to that effect. There are lots of sites that show good pics of different problems. Then you can compare to what you've got. Also, "DIGDIRT" is very knowledgeable (much more so than I). Give him another yell. There's early blight, late blight, bacterial spot and a bunch of other problems. I've gotten blight this year and just took up my first plant which has wilt, I believe. Have never has any problems growing in containers but think the very hot and humid weather this early has caused some of this.

cheers and good luck

Bing

    Bookmark     May 31, 2010 at 2:01PM
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PatSteveC(zone 6)

My Better Boys are not doing well. I have one plant that is stunted. It does have a few tomatoes that came on early. But the plant has not grown much since and has just a few "small" flowers. The other Better boy is not flowering. Between the two Better Boys are Early girls which are doing real well. I also have four heirlooms that are beautiful, tall and filled with fruit. My soil was perfect in the beginning. I sent a sample to have it analyzed before planting and amended the soil according to the university's advice. I only fertilized once about a month ago with MG tomato and veg food. I water (with a soaker hose twice a week for 40 min. each time. We are not having much rain and the temps have been in the 90's for two weeks. Any suggestions? Thanks!

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 8:52AM
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Nu_2_Gardening

You were absolutely right about the catfacing. Posted a pic in a separate thread. Unfortunately I had already picked them fearing it was some big bad disease....ugh. Oh well. Thanks for the great advice!Whatis funny is thaty you can actually see a catface in this picture.

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 6:20AM
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Djole(6)

One can use catfaced tomatoes for a Rorschach test ;)
Last year i've seen my aphid population on peppers migrate completely once i've put a container with nasturtium majus (tropaeolum) next to it - they just switched from pepper to it and made it much easier for me to remove them. It's also edible, you can add it to salads, both flowers and leaves.

    Bookmark     July 5, 2012 at 8:34AM
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b_kct

No problem, I had same questions couple years ago, and my ugly and disfigured Black Krims actually tasted better than normal ones.

But it could be because most of the pretty ones were given out to friends and family :)

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 10:21PM
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cole_robbie(6)

Peaches do the same thing.

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 11:58PM
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dickiefickle(5B Dousman,Wi.)

Diseased ,probably from soil borne disease splashed on the leaves during watering.
Trim off affected leaves.
Trim off first 8 to 12 inches of branches and good leaves (so they Don;t get splashed on )

Here is a link to a chart of diseases

Here is a link that might be useful: Disease ID

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 9:03PM
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oliveoyl3

use bamboo poles & attach corners with rope instead

think wind + fruit + cloth = broken stems

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 4:20PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree. A separate suspension system out of direct contact with the plants will work much better. If for no other reason than you need a good air space between the tops of the plants and covering to avoid trapping heat.

Dave

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 4:24PM
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cole_robbie(6)

Isn't it funny how the "right way" to garden is determined by the weather? Which, of course, none of us can predict, especially lately. If I knew it would be cold and wet, I'd plant in a ridge of soil and cover it with black plastic. But then the weather changes, and the 100 degree sunshine comes out to cook everything.

A large-scale tomato farmer near me puts out about 40 acres of tomatoes every year. This year he switched from black plastic to the kind that is white on top and does not get so hot. They have a single stake holding up each plant. I know they have a lot of sun scald this year.

My shallow-root tomatoes not only did not grow well, their taste quickly went downhill as the plants got worse. Sweetness went down, skins got tougher, and there was less flesh to the inside of the fruit.

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 11:13AM
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harveyhorses(7 Midlothian Va)

My main concern was the need to fertilize and not over water, sooo not an issue three days later. They got their dose, and no rain, so wait for the sun to drop and give the poor things some H2O. They hold up in this heat a LOT better than I do, I wilt after about 45 min.
I guess I didn't add enough 'organic matter' last winter.

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 4:22PM
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cole_robbie(6)

"Maybe add a little Tomato Tone in the potting mix."

Whoops. When I said "Floramato," I meant Tomato Tone. My fault.

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 2:01PM
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Nunyabiz1(7)

I am pretty sure if I put fish juice and molasses in my potting mix that the Ecoterrorist (Squirrels) would dig up everything I have. Probably would call in the raccoon's at night also.

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 4:19PM
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Nu_2_Gardening

Thanks......hopefully my plants end up using all that space. Not familiar with Woody's cages.....is there a site?

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 9:11PM
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MaryMcP Zone 8b - Phx AZ

Google is my friend:

These look great. Thanks for posting Nu2. I prefer wood over metal, thinking the plants would prefer wood over metal too because of the metal heating up. I would paint mine a bright blue probably. I'm not sure of your location Nu2 but here in Phx, heat factors into everything.

Here is a link that might be useful: Woody's Tomato Cages - Instructions

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 7:57AM
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keeb(Toronto)

Where does one buy Daconil or copper spray in Ontario, Canada? (for early blight)

Ty

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 2:45PM
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donna_in_sask

^Look for Bordo Spray...Home Hardware stocks it. Both Wilson and Green Earth have versions of this product.

    Bookmark     July 4, 2012 at 1:46AM
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Is this fungus or blight? image 2Image 2 close up of leaves off plant
Posted by jennypat Zone 3b NW MN(Zone 3b NW MN) July 2, 2012
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Looks like Bacterial Speck to me. All that infected/spotted foliage needs to be removed from the plant and start spraying all the plant with a good fungicide. If you are overhead watering you need to stop. If it is heavy rains that caused it about all you can do is try to keep ahead of it.

Dave

PS: you also need to tie all these post together with links. Next time just post all the pics in the one post so all the info is in one place.

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 11:34AM
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jennypat Zone 3b NW MN(Zone 3b NW MN)

Thank you.

Jenny P
PS I tried to link all the images into one post and could not get it to work. But I think I figured out my problem, AFTER I was done of course......now to remember what it was for next time.

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 2:52PM
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michelliot(z7 ny)

to add to this question, My Toms are planted about 36 inches apart and the leaves are just about touching each other. They are in 20 diameter 6 foot tall cages that i made from a garden mesh. My issue is that growing season is only about half over and my plants are already over seven feet tall. Pretty soon the main shoots are just going to kink and flop over.

I also debate whether to trim.

Thanks for you expertise.

elliot

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 11:51AM
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michelliot(z7 ny)

What I DO thim, however, is a portion of the inner leaves within the cage just to keep the air flowing throughout the plant's inner matrix.

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 11:58AM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

Never seen mealies on tomatoes. Any chance of pictures?

In the ground or containers? In a greenhouse?

Where do you live?

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 12:35AM
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Rusty

I haven't tried to take pictures,
But they look EXACTLY like the images
That come up when I 'Google' Mealy bugs.
White, cottony looking things,
Just like the linked picture.

I am in Zone 9, South Texas.
The plant they are on is in the ground.

This morning I did fine a few
on a couple of the other tomatoes, too.

So it's off to the store later today,
for more Insecticidal Soap!

Unless someone here has a better solution?

Rusty

Here is a link that might be useful: Mealy bugs on tomato plant

    Bookmark     July 3, 2012 at 11:51AM
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