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Hello again, everybody! Sorry I never got back to this thread, but fall of 2012 & most of 2013 turned out to be pretty trying times in my life. No need to go into details, things are slowly improving now, so all is good!
I haven't even tried to grow any tomatoes at all since I last posted here, but I've found everyone's comments very interesting and helpful. I may plant a couple this fall, we'll see. I think I'd really like the Cherokee Purple, doubt if I will find any plants of it for sale in the fall, though. I've only seen it available in the very early spring.
Again, thank you everyone for your comments!
Rusty
Grow -life,
That is a success story, indeed.
I did something similar and extended my season by roughly 45 days.
Traditional plant out is between Mothers Day and Memorial day here. I started planting out on 8th of April, right around our LFD. I don't have VISIBLE fruits yet ( except on a dwarf) but loads of flowers and buds, some already set. So I am shooting for ripe fruits by July 4th.
Sey
The early maturing varieties I'm sure helped. Beaverlodge is always way ahead of others for fruit set, supposedly they can set frut without pollination or something like that. The plants load up with fruit early, which sits green, waiting for warmer weather. The Glaciers don't set fruit so early, but when they do, they ripen faster. in the end, it's a tie. Both are determinates and I'll switch them out to another variety for late summer and fall production, when the GH film goes back on the hoops. The cover is off now.
Well, a 14"x14"x12 is about 8 gallons. That is on the borderline for a full size plant (det or indet). I could grow 2 miniature dwarfs in it too.
Other than the soil volume there is a big issue managing all the foliage on an about ONE square foot area.. To me bigger container offer a lot of convenience to the grower in terms of supporting, watering and fertilizing.
I can grow a tomato in 3 gallon pot but I have to stand by it to attend to its needs. haha . I don't have time for that.
Sey
Sorry for your situation. I hope that it is short term.
Flooding happen all the time in the spring time mostly,
That is why having a well drained garden soil is valuable.
That is why some of us spend efforts, time, money to build raised beds.
When I moved to WA, I figured out that in my situation raised beds are MUST.
So I built my beds, filled them with purchased material at a cost per square foot of about 2-3 bucks. So for 150 sq-ft I spent roughly $400. , not counting my time and labor. On top of that I cover my beds with black plastic and just make a cut for each planting hole. I'll remove the plastic some time in July .
I add a lot of pine bark mulch and small nuggets to the soil mix., in addition to compost and manures.
So if you have a low laying land, maybe raised beds can offer some solution.
You can also do few other things:
== slope the beds a little, if possible.
== provide channels for the runoff water to go, if possible.
++ Make barrier so no runoff water can get into your garden.
== make your garden series furrows and hills. So you plant on the hills and they won't get flooded.
I have, personally done all of these things in the past.
Sey
Good to hear that. Let those blossoms have chance to get pollinated. Then heat is not going a problem. Also the highs last just for few hours around mid day then maybe 15 hours out of 24 temps should be fine for pollination, IFF the night lows are under 70F ?.
Alright. Let those dark color tomatoes grow. I can't wait to see the ripe ones. I know some of our friends dow south ( from FL to TX, AZ, CA.) already are harvesting. We should have our turn pretty soon. hehe
Sey
Jennie, it is most likely that you are growing an F1 bee made hybrid. I mentioned Chuck Wyatt's Orange PL Cherry because there were statements above that indicated one did not exist. The genes for cherry size are highly dominant over the fasciated gene. Crossing a large potato leaf fasciated like LYH to just about any cherry will result in large cherry size fruit. From the look of yours, I think the cross was to a red variety. When a red and some yellows are crossed, the F1 fruit appear salmon colored with hints of pink/red. That is what I see in your fruit. It is still interesting and perhaps worth saving seed to see what grows from it next year.
Thanks Fusion, that is so helpful! I know so little about breeding tomatoes. I was wondering what the other "parent" might be. It could very well be some potato leaf red cherry since I do know potato leaf is recessive. And thanks for the information about Chuck Wyatt's Orange PL Cherry. Will be interesting to see how this hybrid tastes. Hopefully good, otherwise what am I going to do with all these fruits! ;-) Of the three plants from LYH seed, one is true, one is this orange salad size fruit. Still waiting on the third to see what that turns out to be. It is a smaller plant, like the cherry. But doesn't have the cherry like trusses on it and no fruit set yet.
I can't tell you how much I enjoyed reading your responses to this thread! Thank you all so very much. The stuff I continue to learn on this forum....
centexan258 - I'm new to vegetable gardening so hadn't realized that these were 'potato leaves'.
theforgottennone1013, digdirt2 - Thank you for ID'ing the beefsteak mix, I should have thought of that (slap head). Digdirt2 - very much appreciate the detail concerning the fused bloom, which I am leaving for now. Fortunately, the bloom set/took (not sure of the right term):
Seysonn, good idea (contacting vendor for details). So far, this and my two Flammes are the only ones producing fruit.
PupillaCharites - GORGEOUS Cherokee Purple fused blossom! Would enjoy seeing a picture of your large double heart Bradley or OR.
worm_girl - Thanks! It's fun not know what I'm growing:)
Oh wow. After researching Bacterial Wilt, I am certain you are right. I will look carefully tomorrow, but expect I'll have to pull it up carefully to keep it away from the others. In all my years of growing tomatoes, I never had that before. Sounds like I should not use that soil anywhere else as well. Probably need to sterilize the pot for future use.
Thank you so much! I just hope none of the others get it.
But if your native soil pH is already leaning toward the alkaline side then adding wood ash can really screw things up.
In other words you need to know your pH to begin with and you should also know if you soil actually needs additional potassium. Most soils don't. Only way to have that info is by getting a pro soil test done from your local county ag extension office.
Excess potassium blocks the uptake of magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron all of which are equally important to the plant..
Dave
John, I think for most established gardens 10-10-10,, 13-13-13-, 16-16-16 .. are just enough. and the cost is reasonable. Then you have to be able to read your plants lips. Do they flower/ set fruits,? Wow does the foliage look like ? how is the growth rate ? Plants mirror the condition of the soil.
Sey
I agree with Dave. One stake per plant is hardly enough. I use like 3 stakes for 2 plants and do some weaving in addition to tying.
One steak per plant is ok when you prune to a single stem. NOT enough. I let at least 2 - 3 stems per plant. That takes more stakes and weaving to support.. With just one stem production will be way too low.
Sey
It has been a while.
My Azoychka plant is doing great. It is one of the strongest . It has few bud clusters and flowers are opening. I guesstimate to have some ripes around mid July or so. My other yellow/gold Kelloggs Breakfast plants are NOT doing as well so far. So I am betting on Azoychka...
C'mone girl ! hehe
Sey
no need for bulb food now, I found the dry Alaska fish fertilizer containing fish bone ,meal and kelp. I used it years ago with good success then I no longer saw it again. found it at home depot so I bought two bags. i'm experimenting on trying just organics this year. just to see if it works out. I've always prepared the soil with manure and humus, but always had success with small side dressings of either 10-10 - 10 or 5-10 -5. if it doesn't work out I go back to my old system. trying to stay away from the blue water also. I can see the denefit of bone meal on my fall planted garlic. I added a lot of bone meal compost and a little milorganite when I prepared the ground last year. nice thick stems meaning large heads this july
Well, just an update. The plants survived that storm just fine, only lost one growing tip...nothing bad at all. However, it is non stop humidity, rain, and disease.
I think we did go like 9-10 days without rain but that was an exception. Of course, I didn't spray fungicide during that time, I had second thoughts about continually using daconil. I think I'm losing the battle though and will have to use it this season for the first time in the 5 or so years I've been growing tomatoes. I know I should have used its as a preventative, but with as often as it is averaging rain I would have literally been spraying every 3-4 days or more often and I just would not have felt good doing it that often.
So now I have a whole bunch of tomato "trees" haha. I am being really good about trimming off diseased leaves. I know I currently have early blight, a little septoria, and possibly bacterial spot/speck. Either way, my plants are stripped of bad leaves and hoping it will buy a few days til the rain eases off again and I can spray. I also need to fertilize, which hasn't been done in a month... I had actually planned to fertilize Saturday but due to the rain my efforts would have been washed away and diluted out.
Heck, we had probably 2" of rain Saturday and then today we are already up to 1.5" with at least 2-3 more days of heavy rain to come. Ugh, this is one of the wettest years we have had in awhile.
On the bright side I think all of my tomatoes have flowers and probably 75% of them have fruit! I also have a lot of pepper flowers and fruit too. I am working on a blog loaded with pictures and once I get it fixed I will post a link so I can share pictures. Here's to hoping this weekend will be dry so I can do some spraying and fertilizing.
Dawn
Thanks for the update Dawn. I was wondering how your plants were doing. The daconil available to home gardeners is a very dilute version compared to that available to commercial growers. If you feel uncomfortable using Daconil all the time though, you could rotate it with some organic fungicides like copper and serenade. I think we must be in the same weather pattern. We had no rain last week and this week is forecast to rain everyday. Most of the heavy rains are going around us though. And right up to you ;-(
Jennie